Clowning Around with Joyologist Pat Armistead. #11

The mBraining Show

Pat Armitstead is no stranger to grief and loss. Her unique personal perspectives, traumatic past, repeated losses and eventual mastery as a Multi Award Winning Speaker and Exhibiting Artist are a rare combination of talents. She is a modern day Renaissance woman who has devoted her life to helping others to transform their lives.

She is a best selling author of two books, and co-author of another six including the recent Amazon Best Seller ” Common Threads”. She has also produced ten documentaries and anchored her own Multi Award Winning radio show . Pat provides a spiritual and creative perspective in the challenging areas of life including facing our own mortality, grief, loss and trauma. A highly accomplished artist, her art is not only full of visual metaphors, it is a reflection of her encounters with humanity .

​A master storyteller she combines myths, legends and fairytales with real human experiences to bring understanding and meaning to life events. Pat sees crisis as a catalyst for personal growth and transformation, enabling high levels of intimate communication and authentic expression.

She has been a regular guest on Radio and TV for 15 years and received many awards including NZ Speaker of the Year, the highest accolade bestowed on Speaking professionals with NSANZ. A Registered Nurse for 16 years, she went on to found her own production company and now combines her compassion and creativity to shift human consciousness.

​Her mentor for many years, Mike Hutcheson, ( ex MD of Auckland Saatchi and Saatchi ) said :-
” Pat Armitstead is one the most emotionally intelligent people I know!”
​She has toured internationally with Patch Adams and shared the platform live and online with world-class speakers such as Jack Canfield, Dr John Demartini, Ed Tate, Annette King, Catherine Palin Brinkworth, George Manolis, Wayne Berry, Keith Abraham and Wayne Mansfield from Australia, Linda Miles, Lavonn Steiner from the USA and addressed Australias First International Humour and Wellness conference at Armidale University.

Find out more about Pat at http://www.joyology.co.nz

Highlights:

00:19 Introduction
09:26 Taking the opportunities
20:03 Making yourself available
30:11 Out with the old, in with the new
37:37 A compassionate clown
46:03 People skills
54:23 What is at the center?
1:09:45 Moving through painful experiences

Transcription:

Pat 0:04
You’re listening to The mBraining show, a show about the new field of mBIT, where you’ll get a blend of neuroscience-based research with practical applications for wise living. And now here’s your host, Bill Gasiamis.

Introduction

Bill 0:19
Good everyone. Just before we start the show today, I just wanted to let you know about some great in-between tools that are available for anyone wanting to learn more about mBraining in a very easy and gentle way. The mBIT flashcards are a learning tool you can use to practice learning the key and big concepts in an easy and effective way.

Bill 0:43
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Bill 1:05
And in Europe from revealsolutions.co.uk. And they are the ideal tool for trainers to gift to the newly certified coaches at the end of day for an mBIT coach certification. Now it’s on with the show. Welcome to the program. Pat Armistead.

Pat 1:28
Thank you so much what a delight to be talking not only to an end practitioner but in Australia.

Bill 1:38
I know you’re in New Zealand, which means that there are many Aussies in New Zealand as there are New Zealanders in Australia.

Pat 1:47
And possibly not by by to see the injury or not that I’ve met anyway.

Bill 1:56
Well, I’m glad to be talking to you, Pat, I have heard a lot about you for a long time, but haven’t really got to know you. So I’m ever grateful that you contacted me and asked, asked me to have a chat with you and catch up with you. I really am excited about this. next hour or so.

Pat 2:15
Yeah, lovely. Thank you, thank you,

Bill 2:19
you have some amazing skills behind you. And before we get into all of the awesome stuff that you do for others, I’m wondering if you can tell me a little bit about yourself, and what you’ve done in the past and what you’re doing these days.

Pat 2:37
Yes. Um, I always wanted to be an artist, is my mother said to me, Well, that’s lovely, do but I think you should get a proper job. And so it was that back then I ended up nursing, went nursing for 16 years was a nurse educator. And at the age of 29 became as they termed it then matron. Oh, a hospital was absolutely you know, box and body and heavy duty shoes. Kind of the old fashioned.

Bill 3:15
Well were they white polished shoes or black polished shoes.

Pat 3:19
White.

Bill 3:20
Yeah, lovely.

Pat 3:23
And from there, I actually got burnt out nursing field, I’d gone as far as you know, as I wish to went on a working holiday around Australia. And at the end of that time, which was five years decided that I want to return to work in that other world. And not sure of just what that was going to be. And series of events led me to establishing a video production company.

Pat 3:57
As I step into that, I started to discover the creativity that I never really found in nursing. They were many, many avenues for creative expression with sound graphic design, taking breaks from people making the video, develop developing all of that work. So that business went from a backyard operation to full growth forecast ended in two and a half years and had that business for 11 years.

Pat 4:25
Winning 11 advertising awards, including the New South Wales Northwoods tourism award for media is a highlight of my life well, and at the end of towards the end of the century, Australia had a bit of a downturn in the economy. And the town we were in was going through tough times 17 businesses.

Pat 4:49
Closed doors and people tighten their purses and metal long story short, my ex was from here and so we chose to return here. But it was soft place to land and start again. Yeah. And it was in that four year period, there’s a whole succession of events and losses occurred. Yeah, I have I’m a cancer survivor.

Bill 5:17
Well, before we go into that, that stage, because I’m really curious about that next stage, but also, I want to go back a little bit. And I want to understand, how does a nurse one day decide to be a marketing person like or whatever it was that you were doing at that next phase? How do you make that leap?

Pat 5:41
It took 12 months, I, when I was on this Working Holiday had done many and varied experiences, none of which I would have experienced had I been at home in a proper job. And when I returned to the real world, the what, you know, what I thought I wanted to do really eluded me. And so I ended up doing running a program for women who’d been at home looking after children.

Pat 6:08
So returning a long term, turning to Work program, really enjoyed that. Did some other all kinds of things telemarketing was really busy quite often, he really, in terms of feeling fulfilled, it just felt very thready. Um, on that five year holiday, we had filmed about 30 hours of film, because nobody wanted to watch 30 hours of our adventures.

Bill 6:43
So you mean, you didn’t gather the family in the ladram and say, Hey, guys, come and watch our home movies.

Pat 6:51
Not what we did, but they didn’t want to stay or fancy this. Yeah. So from there, at that time, editing, you know, domestic film was very expensive. And we thought there might be an opportunity there. And so we set up a Patreon business, just putting old film and slides to video, it was a fairly easy little thing to create didn’t need much of a budget to set that up.

Pat 7:21
And as that started to evolve, really, so the degree to which people were excited, and really satisfied by, you know, this is your life kind of stories, and how they can make gifts that, by default, started filming weddings, and drop that after about 12 months.

Bill 7:45
The brides were too crazy?

Pat 7:47
No, no, no, no, it was their mothers.

Bill 7:50
I knew there was some craziness somewhere.

Pat 7:53
You know, you don’t want to work with the mother of the bride. Um, and then there was an ad in the paper for Prime television, looking for camera people. So didn’t have the skills at that time. And my curiosity was piqued them. So for a time, my ex and I work this part time business. And then I got serious. I did the biggest plan that I’ve ever done in my life, you know, kind of two inches thick.

Pat 8:24
Detailing everything, including where the pins would be stored. And the got an investor and kicked off the production company. I had a five year plan to go full broker broadcast. And that was actually achieved in two and a half. And part of that process was most of my planning when I do longer scale is backwards plan. I love coviz some of coviz work, especially that line, you know, beginning with the end in mind. So beginning there, and then working backwards.

Bill 8:59
Yeah. Wow, amazing. That’s amazing. I just I just can’t imagine that at one point, when you were being a nurse, you’d you ever would have thought that you would be in a production company videoing weddings, during people’s holidays and converting them into something amazing that people want to watch. And, and then running a production company that is just really amazing.

Taking the opportunities

Bill 9:26
When we kind of just pay attention to the opportunities that are out there really, isn’t it? It’s about sort of knowing what they are, and making the most of something when, you know, when it seems like there’s limited opportunity in the area that we perhaps came from beforehand that we didn’t, you know, that sort of ended for us because of circumstances beyond our control, like, you know, the major issues with the economy. Yeah, that’s, that’s brilliant. And you mentioned also just before we went back to this part and understood how it is that you made that you somebody that’s recovered from a some health issues. Yes.

Pat 10:05
I had cancer. Yeah. And I had to lots of surgery. actually thought I was going to die. I lost half my body weight, which was actually a good look.

Bill 10:18
A good luck, but the circumstances one the right kind, right.

Pat 10:24
And yeah, it was interesting. There was just one day about six or eight months post the last lot of surgery and I was still losing weight. And I just was really afraid for myself. And I woke up and I don’t know where the thought came from. But I just said to the universe, well, actually, I’m going anyway. And from that day, hundreds of times a day, I told myself, I’m resilient. And it’s only Vishy. So that was 1999. And it’s only this year. That is the first time that I’ve had the cold or the flu since.

Bill 11:04
Yeah, wow.

Pat 11:05
So I am resilient. I really get that lots of other things happened.

Bill 11:12
And you’re resilient. And and it’s a mindset thing. So So what is it about being creating that kind of resilience, I know that it’s also having skills and knowledge about how to be resilient, etc. But, but tell me about the mindset part of resilience.

Pat 11:29
I think for me, there was there was a future vision that something very great was in process. I had no real picture or idea of that. It was certainly linked to creative expression. But I couldn’t give it the language then that I might now Right. And I have a sense of anticipation.

Pat 11:54
I certainly didn’t have the spiritual evolution that I kind of experienced for myself now. So I was in a in a very different headspace in terms of, you know, levels of awareness around the world matters. But there was just a calling that there’s something special has to be done and that this wasn’t in passing was not going to be that pain

Bill 12:21
of the hospitals tend to do that to some people had a similar experience. This is my transition from surgery to rehab after I woke up after brain surgery. When I when I realized I couldn’t walk anymore. On the left side, I had some numbness and we needed to go to rehab to regain that, while waiting in a place called the transit lounge in a hospital.

Bill 12:49
Pat, wondering where the hostess, a hostess is where and where. And where I was being sent to if there was going to be in a coladas and all that kind of stuff on the other side. But turns out that the transit lounge in our hospital doesn’t take you to a holiday destination. I, I had the idea to do podcasts.

Bill 13:12
And that I’m not going to sit around waiting to get better or whatever. And, you know, and just sort of go through the system, or I think what I’ll do is I’ll find out how to get better, and then I’ll share it with as many people as I can.

Pat 13:26
Yes.

Bill 13:27
So that’s a really interesting thing that you said about where your inspiration sort of where you were when your inspiration sort of turned up.

Pat 13:37
Yeah, and something I realized now is, I think this lifetime, we as individuals have never been more important. I’ve seen so many people receive messages just like I just like you were guided, just like I received that message. Those years back. We’re being called to do something, and it’s beyond what we’ve known before. And the messages sometimes aren’t entirely clear. But you know, if we remain in the place of the observer, then it is increasingly becoming apparent in shorter periods of time for me anyway, to to really get a sense of where we’re heading, and how things are coming together.

Bill 14:28
Yeah, amazing. We’re going to moving along in our conversation, I know we’re going to end up talking about grief and loss towards as this conversation continues, but before we get to that, and how that’s involved with embracing an mBIT, or how you use embracing an mBIT in that area. I’m wondering if you could tell me a little bit about your expert incubator program. Because that sounds really exciting actually. And some people that are Listen to this, this program will, I think get a lot out of it.

Pat 15:05
I was as a result, I think of unexpressed emotion from 30 years ago and a violent relationship. 12 months ago, I experienced this acute inflammatory flare up of all my joints. incredible pain, I was crying every day for weeks, before we got it sufficiently under control, and what I see now is the on well on the way to healing, is that stored pain that was from my heart, and my feelings of shame and embarrassment, in declaring, you know, I was matron of the hospital, for goodness sake, I was an important person. And I revealed to the world that something like this was happening to me. And I think we always see the outflow of history comes through, and at some point, it will express through our body if it needs to.

Bill 16:15
I noticed a lot of people pet do that. That thing with identity I am I or identify as, and because everyone sees me, as boy identifies with me as this kind of person. matrona, a professional, a lawyer, you know, whatever it is, that I can’t be vulnerable, and therefore, I’m going to put up a front. And I’m going to make sure that no one notices that amongst the other things that I can be is somebody who’s doing pain or doing, you know, great for doing other other things. Is that something that you notice, in other people as well? Do you see that now? Yes, yes.

Pat 17:01
You know, we, we’ve been conditioned to show up, I call it looking good. And, you know, there’s a certain amount of pleasure aside, it’s associated with that. But when I was able to move through my own healing, and started talking about, you know, finding joy, when it appears, is none.

Pat 17:20
And when I was sufficiently healed myself to be able to share intimately some of those stories, that’s when I saw the change, change for myself as well, but also for the other person, so to engage in that intimate place, is to transform. And that’s, that’s the background behind the expert incubator, to take people who would like to be conscious and transformational speakers, someone who has a story.

Pat 17:56
They’re typically either creative entrepreneurs who really want to harness that breath of creativity, which is really hard. or health practitioners, or people who are already speaking a little and want to do more, but they’ve all got a big story to tell, in one form or another.

Pat 18:17
And because I had the time in advertising of in speaking all my life nurse educator, and a lot of presenting when I was in advertising. And then what I’ve been doing now is this huge history of how to do it. I’ve authored and co authored a lot of books now. So there’s a lot of experience there. And then being I’m a bit of a shameless self promoter.

Bill 18:46
I love it.

Pat 18:49
There’s been I’ve been published every month since 2001.

Bill 18:56
That’s kind of record there, I think, Pat.

Pat 18:59
Yes, shameless. And in 2001, I decided I was going to make it in this business. I had no idea about geology at that time, really. That you know, I needed to get clever, and and be really smart. So one of my choices or decisions back then was right. I’m actually going to get published every month.

Pat 19:25
So I have been I’ve been on television, being on radio had created my own radio program for four years, and had columns in different newspapers, magazines, and it has people most of my work has come from word of mouth, or from those publications.

Pat 19:44
Because people say stuff. I don’t know if you’ve got magazines saved in your house from one thing or another. But people do tend to when I’ve had people ring and they say, Oh, we’ve got a photo of you from rainbow news sitting on the fridge. It’s been For three years, and now we need you.

Making yourself available

Bill 20:03
Yeah, well, three years is a long burn. And you know what, sometimes it takes that long for people to feel the need to get in touch. And also, they need to sort of get comfortable with who you are, they need to understand a little bit more about you without necessarily asking.

Bill 20:19
So you need to really make yourself available in many, I found many different, like, advertising methods or, or promotional methods, and therefore, it’s a soft sell rather than knocking on the door on a Sunday morning and handing out flyers or books. Right, that doesn’t work anyways.

Pat 20:38
Yes. Listen, and there’s that expensive thing. And, you know, even when a practice haven’t worked, I’ve continued anyway. Yeah. And I remember when America’s Cup was on, and race three, the mask broke over here. Is that the most recent America’s Cup? And I had one before?

Bill 21:02
But I remember that one, but yep, tell me.

Pat 21:06
I had an idea about creating some laughter on the viaduct when they went out for race for and rang to New Zealand and made numerous approaches or and they all said, you know, look, I’m sure you’re a lovely lady. But you know, we’ve got our, we’ve got our psychological support, all sorted, thank you. And anyway, there was something in me that didn’t want to give up. And I thought, alright, that’s not working, I’m going to send out a press release.

Pat 21:34
So I did, and I ended up getting on seven o’clock news time slot, and got 30 minutes of airtime. Seven o’clock in the evening, national television. And I could have just given up, you know, it’s like we need to foster in other people. There’s, you know, there’s another step, there’s another step and what comes trusting what might come from those steps? And we don’t know the answer, and it can be much bigger than the initial intention.

Bill 22:05
Yeah, that’s awesome. So you know, I hear the analogy about you know, some people will go and go and go and then just give up, and there’s only one last step to take, and they never take it. And they never realize what how close they were.

Pat 22:20
Yes.

Bill 22:22
Yeah, that’s a great story. A great way for our MB coaches who are listening and other people to sort of take a bit of a lesson about, you know, how, how we can go about persisted, persisting, and overcoming our fears, of rejection, and all the things that that we struggle with, you know, to contact people and put ourselves out there and do this, the shameless self-promotion, which is not really about being self-promoting.

Bill 22:52
It’s about bringing your brilliance into the world. And it’s really about helping people succeed, and helping people recover and doing all those things that these amazing coaches know they want to do. And don’t realize that the only way you’re going to do that is if more people know about you, right? Yes. That’s excellent. Yes. There’s,

Pat 23:13
I don’t know if it exists over there. Because I’ve been away for a time, but there’s quite a tall poppy syndrome here. Yeah. And I’ve been told on more than one occasion, things like, well, if you want to get on in this country, Pat, you better tone yourself down a bit, girl. And so you know, we’ve got to also develop some inner resolve. Yeah. To not be buffeted by the storm.

Pat 23:39
To accept that that’s their perception is actually nothing to do with you. Yeah. Um, and that’s quite a journey. Yeah. And I haven’t always been able to take that on immediately. There can be, you know, some hose associated with that, then, you know, feeling rejected, what am I doing wrong? Yeah. Maybe I shouldn’t, you know, go back and get a proper job. And the mind spirals down.

Bill 24:06
Yeah. In my experience with people who attack or sort of, you know, come forward and let you know that you’re overstepping the mark, or you’re not living within their values. It’s more about their own challenges. And, and I often ask myself, what is it that they’re going through, that I don’t know about? That has created a situation where they’ve behaved or said something at a particular time?

Bill 24:39
And, and if I asked myself that question, you know that you know, what, everyone’s gone through something or going through something, and it’s possible they’re having a bad day, and if they’re having a bad day, you know what, I don’t want to make that day worse by giving them more grief to deal with. What I want to do is I want to support them to overcome that and therefore I you know, with a hand my hands on my heart.

Bill 25:00
I just hold that space for them to vent, do whatever it is they need to do, you know, and hopefully have them understand that I’m not about, I’m not about making their life harder, I’m only there to support them if if they are, if that allow me if they’ll give me the permission.

Bill 25:16
And if they’re comfortable, you know, sharing what it is that they’re going through this, I think we can really do about people who give us a hard time. And I know that in those situations where it’s happened to me, most of the time, it’s not been about me, and a lot of those people, and not that they need to apologize or anything, but a lot of those people will come to terms with ik.

Bill 25:40
So you know what, I had a bit of a running with this person, but it’s really not about that relationships, have run into relationships have ups that have downs, and some of those downs are not about us. It’s more about that other person, how can we support them to get through what they’re going through and to flourish?

Pat 26:02
I love that you use that word. It’s a beautiful word.

Bill 26:06
Yeah, yeah, it’s one of my favorite words, it’s what I realized I needed to be doing. After I went through my own health challenges, I figured you know, what, I didn’t need to just survive, I don’t want to just live, I don’t just want to be on the planet. You know, for an average version of myself, I want to flourish, I want to flourish in every way, my health, my experiences.

Bill 26:26
And I want other people to see how they can model what is and flourishing. And they hopefully could pick up some of those things and from other people who are doing that quite well, and flourishing, and they could also step into their amazing version of their own kind of flourishing.

Pat 26:46
Yes. Yes. You know, as I said earlier, that we’ve been given prompts and triggers and nudges, to step up, and there’s no going back. And the only, you know, the only for me, I’m writing my fifth book, and the title is joyful empowerment. The only way out is through. And since 2001, all the losses that occurred for me, then I committed whatever comes into my life. Now I’m going to go to it. And in going to it, I have met paradox, and synchronicity.

Pat 27:27
And the as I healed side by side, they just got closer and closer together. So there’s this wondrous journey of experiencing it all. Being able to see challenge, and then immediately afterwards, the support and being able to I don’t say that I ride this wave of equanimity all the time. But I’m getting there. Yeah. And that’s a really pleasing place to be able to observe yourself getting to tinnitus, how you how you Riding, riding the waves, and that they’re, they’re not title anymore.

Bill 28:11
Yeah, that’s brilliant analogy. I love that. Now, tell me a little bit about the expert incubator, are there some speakers that you can share with us who have come through your program and are doing doing awesomely in their craft at the moment.

Pat 28:29
And there are, is a chat from here. I mean, these names may not be known to any of your listeners, but a man by the name of Danny melander, did one of the first ones cup 18 months ago. And at that time in his life, he’d been brought to his knees by a business failure, someone had done the dirty on him. And he’d come back to New Zealand from being overseas. And he’d had a 12 month period of recovery and repaying debt and getting things sorted.

Pat 29:05
And he’s now back overseas, supporting a charity and delivering into a lot of entrepreneurial spaces, because he knows all the technology about how to set up lead pages and all that back end for creating a funnel in your business and to get your web based applications or working for you to bring things through. Yeah, but he’s doing it in a different way.

Pat 29:34
And that different way is a much deeper connection to his own humanity, and owning that a personal crisis in his life, which he never really visited. Since the time it occurred, the degree to which you could use that newfound sensitivity to connect And support others, alongside this incredible, technical and more practical if you like, and 40 does.

Out with the old, in with the new

Bill 30:11
Yeah, that’s, yeah, that’s amazing to have somebody go into that space and help people with all the technology that’s available now, because they’ve come onto the market, a lot of eyes support tools and new ways of advertising and getting known and, and sort of getting noticed they’ve come onto the market very rapidly.

Bill 30:30
And I think a lot of people still haven’t been able to make the shift from the old print media to digital media. Yes, it’s quite scary place to, to live in this new space of Oh, my Lord, you know, it’s not as easy as going to a yellow pages, for example, getting them to print in a number of books, and then getting people to respond. Now, there’s multiple versions of, you know, the Yellow Pages equivalent.

Bill 31:01
And each one of those things specifically seem to have their own benefit. And how would you encourage people to come to terms with letting go of the print method of advertising and moving into the digital space? What would be the first thing that you would say to somebody to do to go down their path?

Pat 31:26
I think one of the gyms for myself has been about and this is where all that authoring came in. really handy. As I start, as I learned how to write a 300 word, little column, I learned to get really sharp with it, Micah, do it really, really quick. And then over the years, I’ve saved hundreds of press releases and developed all kinds of tools like that. So you know, being able being knowing what you want to say, and then being able to trim it back.

Pat 31:58
So you know, the real clarity on who you are, and how that’s expressed in language, how that’s wrapped in language. And then how you put it out there to create relationships in the early. I don’t I rely less on email newsletters now. It’s more LinkedIn, Facebook, a little bit of Twitter. And it’s about, you know, getting the balance between sharing business things, but including, you know, some some personal stories, so that people get to see who you really are and how you relate in the world. Yeah, what your stand for. I think that’s important.

Bill 32:47
Beautiful. So people want to know, what we stand for. And what I love is that you said is that this is all about creating relationships, not necessarily creating money, or leads or turnover, because that I believe, and correct. And let me know if you, if you feel the same way, is that the money, the leads, the turnover comes after the successful relationship is graded?

Pat 33:12
Yes. One of the things, you know, you, tribe, that’s a word that’s used for quite a while and still fits really well. You know, there’s, there’s people out there who believe what you believe, but they’ve got to get to know what it is you believe. So being able to, you know, I get people to list 21 beliefs that you have, when we’re working together, and they get on and I forgot 21.

Pat 33:39
But you know, you’ve got to work and apply yourself. And so as you get that increasing clarity, you can list 21 beliefs, then that’s 21 things you can write about. It’s 21 areas you can feed into. And then when people look on your website, and they go, Oh, that’s so mean. Yeah. And they’ll, they’ll get that synergy with the language that used and the thoughts and the beliefs and they want to go where you’re going.

Bill 34:09
Yeah. That’s amazing. That we have more than, well, we definitely have more than 29 beliefs. And a few of those are really going to be the ones that drive us to get up every day. Do the things that we do connect with the people that we connect with. And I imagine that most people, when they flesh out those beliefs, when they know what they are, they’ll be able to really pinpoint a few of them and say, hey, these are the ones that I really want to stand for.

Bill 34:38
And then that’s a more powerful sort of place to come from. So Well, that’s a really amazing bit of advice there. And as we continue to chat, I’ve got a feeling that we could do three or four episodes of this program with you pet, but we’re only going to do one so I’m going to keep moving along. There are some other Most Amazing things that you’ve done. And I know you call yourself, the joy ologists.

Pat 35:08
To my knowledge on the world’s first, there was nothing else online with anything even remotely referenced using that terminology. So I also get the importance of that is like that was a divine message. And when I look back now 16 years nursing, I developed my compassion itself.

Pat 35:30
And this is the gift that Ember particularly gifted to me. I’d always wanted to be an artist, and I end up in advertising. So in that role, I get to play with sound I get to play with film, graphic design. I’m capturing, you know, what other people want captured in a video or something and giving that creative expression and interviewing politicians and making that look good on, you know, make people look good on camera. There are just so many.

Bill 36:02
Making politicians look good. Now I know what goes on in the background.

Pat 36:12
And it’s more than makeup, you know? Yeah. So one of my favorite sayings is catch people doing something, right. And that was pretty much unconscious all my years through nursing. But it was at the base of what I did, you know, I saw the good. And I played into it.

Pat 36:34
I used my natural capacity to be impish and mischievous. And it got me into trouble sometimes spend a lot of time in matrons office, she and I got to know each other well. But when I reflect back, it’s like, right, those two, my compassion was developed, then my creativities, and it’s 16, nearly 30, you know, 30 years of development, and then problems, geology.

Pat 37:05
And now I get to combine the two, to make an even larger contribution to humanity. the perfection of that path now is really apparent to me. I couldn’t, I couldn’t work and hold this space, particularly in the early years, because no one in New Zealand or anywhere else probably was ready for genealogists. It was a lot of, you know, those phone calls were interesting.

A compassionate clown

Bill 37:37
I want to hear more about it. And what I wanted to find out, was that what I wanted to mention was that you almost didn’t become the genealogist though, because I understand that you failed a clown school pet. Please tell me, how is that possible? And then how did you overcome this is failure to becoming a clown.

Pat 38:08
I’m a compassionate clown. That’s what I call myself now. I wasn’t calling myself that back then. When I was preparing for my tour through rashes orphanages with Pat Adams, in 2004. I did a range of things in preparation for that. And I did clown school first time and never did master juggling or any tricks, actually, not one. And so I thought, oh, maybe you know, I’ve been doing again. And it was and then I still didn’t master it.

Pat 38:42
However, I did master improv. And I love improv and studying improv since 2001. I’ve had awards from some of the improv companies over here, because I’m, I’m their favorite attendee. I’m like, Oh, she’s here again. Look, he is. The rules of improv. As I network, our number one first thought is correct. All players are equal. So nobody wins. If someone tries to win, you need to be open, ready to receive, you need to be open to receive and ready to give.

Pat 39:22
So those four things applied in your life or in the business setting, create extraordinary relationships. And what improv did for me was remove the filter from my head, so that I truly was getting first thought is correct. And in the clowning that we did with patch, while on two or three these orphanages, all of my clowning was from that space. I know a lot about street theater and moving statues. So I could do that with ease. But I was able to be present to all of it.

Pat 39:58
And in that space, I became This is not about being pretty or anything, but I became very attractive. So I attracted the most extraordinary experiences. And I’ll share with you a paper that I wrote about the tour. And those experiences changed my life. I came back here feeling more vital and alive than I’ve ever felt in my whole life. And I knew it was because I experienced it all that full emotional expression, from anguish, right through to bliss. And I was present to all and it was extraordinary. Yeah. And I was just so enlivened.

Bill 40:43
You know, what’s extraordinary, also, is that I get the way that you have taken almost everything that you’ve gone through the experience, and somehow, you’ve seen how that relates to a business relates to a corporate environment, a home environment. And, you know, there seems to be many opportunities in your life for you to actually see how we can take an experience and turn it into a learning but also turn it into a way to overcome and a way to shift.

Bill 41:19
Did that come naturally? Is that something that came naturally to you, because I know a lot of people experience things in life. And they don’t often see that, that there’s a lesson in there, there’s a learning you could take to another part of your life, you know, the next chapter, and you can apply it and you can use it to not get caught up in, you know, the same stuff that you’ve got caught up in last time. And you could do that next chapter a little better. Did you have a natural skill at that?

Pat 41:48
I think there was an element of it. The very first men, I have a bed bath as a student nurse was a man by the name of Bob Hall, a crane had fallen on Bob, and he had 35 broken bones, and he was literally flattened.

Pat 42:07
In the casualty area, when they looked at him, they just kind of shook their heads and kind of make it three or four hours past and he was still alive. So they eventually took him to the theater and a bit worried that he might die on the table. But he didn’t. And as they’re wheeling him back to the recovery Ward, the conversation was going for bigger will probably be a vegetable.

Pat 42:30
So Bob woke up very smartly in recovery, and revealed he was not indeed a vegetable. And so the conversation changed again. And they said, well, you’ll never walk again. Bob Hall was in Fairfield District Hospital in New South Wales, for three years, the whole the entire duration of my general nurse training. He walked on two sticks to my graduation ceremony and stood up the back of the room. And when the ceremony proper was over, stood up.

Pat 43:01
And he said, I’ve actually got something I’d like to say. And I was getting a bit scared them, because my mother’s sitting right here in the front row. And so he came down, and he had this huge scroll about three foot long. And he peel it open. And it just started reading off all the dreadful tricks and pranks and things that I did to him. Every now and again. But my mother had splatter and she’d go up, Trisha, you get

Bill 43:30
three foot long scroll of all the things you did to him.

Pat 43:35
And at the end guess at the end, he turned to me and he said, You don’t know what you did. And I never really got that bill until 2001. Back then, I didn’t. I didn’t have an a level of awareness. But I just showed up as who I was. I donned the uniform and the little cap. But the infant the mischief maker was still there and I did in a very conservative environment back then we still lots of statues and you know I did to do that and I really get what I do. Yeah, but I was not really aware at the time.

Bill 44:17
And how would you describe it now?

Pat 44:24
I think that that element is still there. When I was doing these pilots in the rest time, I threatened this 93 year old lady. One day I’m going to get into bed with you and she kind of poo pooed me. So I did I turned up in my little miss naughty pajamas, wig freckles, teddy bear dressing gown and slippers and said move over and she laughed and did and I spent the day in bed with her and granted her every wish.

Pat 44:55
I said to her differently bacon and eggs for breakfast and she said That we do today. And we finished that. And they took the trays away. And I said, Now, if I remember you like marcelinho, and she’s giggling the whole time. And she said, Well, we don’t have that here, as we do today, because I pre arranged all this. And as luck would have it, manager was away.

Pat 45:20
So the staff had no idea why I was in bed with this lady called golden. Boy, I have as 910 o’clock, the staff had had enough. And the next nurse who came to the door, said, it’s alright for you pack. But we’ve actually got work to do. And I got out of bed and put my little dressing gown on my feet into my slippers and out into the corridor.

Pat 45:46
And I’m sure you’ve gotten mad over there, where a mother’s with her two or three year old in the supermarket, and the kids just about to chuck a tanti and mom does instead. And you got that one?

Bill 45:59
Yes, we’ve seen that one. Yeah, the man falls on the ground and starts going up.

People skills

Pat 46:03
So that’s what I did. until I finally said, for goodness sake, yes, we’ll do whatever you want. My point in doing that was 93 year old women don’t let 50 year old women in their bed. She trusted me. And I have photos of that day, and I tell people in business. You’ve got to get into bed with your customers. You got to find out what makes them tick.

Pat 46:33
And then you can do anything. And I mean, anything. And the trusting I, I for me came in nursing. Yeah, you had to practice the bedside and be doing football. Pretty, you know, whoo, stuff sometimes. Yeah. And, you know, what was that miniature of how we did that? because they’d be done in a minute. Yeah, you know, we didn’t have a couple of days to kind of think about it and get to know each other.

Bill 47:03
So there’s what a beautiful analogy, you know, to share with your, with the corporate about how you could go about getting into bed with your customers, and making it all about your customers, because that’s who is 93 year old lady was she was your customer.

Bill 47:21
And what it was about, it was about doing whatever she wanted, and then based on that you’re able to deliver anything that you developed that you knew would met would meet her requirements? Yes. And then she’s guaranteed to buy so to speak. Yes. Wow. That’s amazing.

Bill 47:44
That is absolutely amazing. I’m loving these stories. And I’m glad there are five books. And I haven’t I wasn’t aware that you had five books out, but I think I’m going to have to invest in the whole five in the series. Because Please tell me that all these types of stories are in your books. Not all of them yet. Yeah. Okay, great. Well, not all of them yet, which means there’s a few more episodes to come. And I’m loving the sound of that.

Bill 48:10
Pat, tell me, before we get into mBraining this is something we have to talk about. Because I think the person that you’re about to tell us about lives, what I believe is an mBraining philosophy and kind of in in would have invented that. That methodology and that philosophy that we like to talk about, which we’ll go into in a little while.

Bill 48:36
Because he just comes completely from the heart takes gutsy action, and immense creativity from the head to deliver amazing opportunities for people to heal and recover. And I know that you come from a similar space. So you did a tour with the world renowned Patch Adams.

Pat 49:04
Yes.

Bill 49:05
Tell me a little bit about how it was that you ended up working with Patch Adams, and, and toward? Did you say Russia?

Pat 49:14
Yes, Russia, Moscow and St. Petersburg. 30 years ago patch went on to our patches always been dressed as a clown. Since he started or even in his medical training, he donned the clown persona, and he’s never taken it off. About 30 years ago, he went on tour with a group of 30 American businessmen to Russia. I don’t know how that came about. But they’re all in their suits and patch in clown persona. You can imagine how that was received at at the border.

Pat 49:48
And while he was there, on that visit, he discovered the plight of rashes, some one and a half million orphans who live in postwar conditions. such extreme poverty, the likes of which he’d never seen. And he committed that he, at that time that he would come back every year until he died, he would bring 36 people in clown persona. And he would bring joy into places where it didn’t exist in his view.

Pat 50:19
So every year from the first to the 16th of November, he takes 36 people in clown persona, you don’t have to be your performing clown, you don’t have to know tricks is one requirement is that you are able to Don a persona. So you need to be you know, to dress somehow, and be able to walk in a room and make something happen. And our experience was just walking in and out of the most extraordinary sad and glad times and learning how to hold our space in the face of that.

Pat 51:01
And, you know, many of the facilities that the children have never been allowed out into the sunlight, where barbed wire fences roll barbed wire, on the top of the fencing around the buildings, one facility we visited, they were all sedated with an aldehyde of some kind, possibly per aldehyde it’s excluded through the skin, very pungent smell hits the back of your throat.

Pat 51:28
And those children were in very makeshift striped jackets. Oh, um, and so you know, to walk into the face of this, and then, you know, hit the streets of, you know, downtown San Petersburg especially, and then see someone with a coat on that, you know, has cost 2030 $40,000 or, oh, we’re talking walking money here and see those extremes and be with it. One of the many stories from that time, perhaps the most profound is sitting with patch one day.

Pat 52:12
And he was holding a child with cerebral palsy. This one often had about 300 children under five with cerebral palsy, orphans, and the child was very distressed, and he’s holding her little head in his hands, feet against his chest, and he’s rocking and singing and he’s just making up this song. From all the old Kruger’s madman Oh, Dean Martin. It’s just a meddling and it’s a mess, you know. But he’s doing it. And he’s rocking. And as he’s doing this, this little girl starts to settle.

Pat 52:49
And as she starts to settle, tears flowed down his cheeks, and mine. And so he continues, and he’s singing and rocking. And this little puppet, I don’t know how many minutes, but within some minutes, totally relaxed in his arms. And I’ve never seen that with anyone who cerebral palsy. That totally relaxed state. And when that occurred, patch was sobbing. still rocking and singing sobbing, there was smoke coming out his nose.

Pat 53:25
And he just continued. I’m bawling beside him. But what I got was, I have never sat with a man who would allow me to see this degree of vulnerability. Yeah. And it was in that moment that I really got the depth to which this man communicates with others. His deep, deep connection, and he’s preparedness to go there. And he’s preparedness to you know, he didn’t wasn’t concerned didn’t reach for tissue.

Bill 54:00
The show must go on. Sounds like a pet no matter what. In all its guises. Yes. Well, and,

Pat 54:08
you know, I don’t know how long that little girl stayed like that. Because we know we left and like, who knows what happened. But it’s like, there’s a chance for real healing there because it happened then so it can happen again.

What is at the center?

Bill 54:23
I’m gonna I’m gonna ask you a trick question. Well, I know for you. It’s not a trick question. But I’m going to ask it and pretend that it’s a trick question. What is at the center of the version of joy that people like yourself and Patch Adams and all the people that you have come to work with to deliver this type of joy? What is at the center of that?

Pat 54:49
I think it’s compassion. Right? To compassion and empathy to Remember, as a nurse, I’m having to perform in the most whoa of times, and being able to, you know, be the person who had to go back and speak to family of someone who’s, you know, the working on to save their life. And as a secondary nurse doing that, so it’s like, Whoa, you know, how do I do that?

Pat 55:21
So I had to have empathy, that I still need to be able to do work. Yeah. So come fast forward to the two with patch. There was some of that. And, you know, we were profound intimacy, profound intimacy with a physical being of human form. And to be that connected is to catch your throat, it’s there with me now. Yeah, to engage at that level, is, is where we’re meant to be. Rather than doing a line and separate, or showing up looking good to, to engage at this level is to relate and know, things have changed my last change.

Pat 56:14
And so therefore, there’s must have, yeah. And some of the places that he goes to go, he’s been going there every year, they wait for him. Every single one of us came home with updated drawings drawn by these children, who wait each year for him to come. And to when I returned home to New Zealand, a few friends and associates said to me, you’ll be alright, in a couple of weeks, you’ll get over it, you’re back in the real world now.

Pat 56:50
And, yeah, now sorry. This this real world is it is here too. But there was something about being away and being with those people getting to know the other 36 at an intimate in an intimate level, you know, every single one of us had challenges and issues. Not everyone was kind of clean. And there were all of this evoked stuff. Yeah. But we were able to come from that compassionate space. Yeah, um, to view each other, and therefore mankind in a different way.

Pat 57:31
And no, we didn’t need to do it all ourselves. Yeah, patch just creates the place under a boy who’d lost both legs to melanoma, a friend or colleague associate of patches in Italy, a rich man had committed that he will see this boy through to adulthood, and he will look after all his prosthetics? Well, and you just know, there are just 1000s of people like that. Yeah. So he just needs now he just needs to show up. And in the doing of that, then what’s required comes forth. It doesn’t all come from patches curse.

Bill 58:11
Yeah. Wow, that’s amazing. Well, you know, my experience around accepting everything that we get in with, with people. So the parts that I never noticed before, which I noticed now, I firstly, those parts I began to notice after I ended up in hospital with, you know, the first of three brain hemorrhages, you know, four years ago, and wondering, wow, so if I can’t remember my name, typing email, finish a sentence, walk, drive a car.

Bill 58:49
If I can’t do that, and there’s a chance that I may not ever be able to recover that because at the moment on the at the early part of the process, I didn’t know what my outcome was going to be. If I can’t do that, is it possible that what’s happened to others who can’t do that? Is that now because I was the kind of person who didn’t notice them before that they are being missed?

Bill 59:16
And they are exactly like me, no different at all. They have lost function or never had function or, you know, had circumstances which caused them to be in this in this particular way. Is it possible that I could be one of those people and if I was, how would I want others to treat me?

Bill 59:36
And this question of how would I want others to treat me was one that was difficult to ask because then what I did is realize that I wasn’t stepping up and treating other people the way they would have like to be treated. I treated them differently because I lived in this space of you know, well, I think that the world revolves around me.

Bill 1:00:03
So it was a really big lesson for me to go through that and, and you’ve kind of learned that lesson in a much generally wiser way, because you, it doesn’t sound like you had to go through something life-threatening to get to that point. And that sounds like something similar to you know how patch would have come to terms with that. And I don’t know enough about his story, but that’s what I’m imagining.

Bill 1:00:32
How much better is it to get to that point of knowing that no matter what these people look like, you know, act like talk, like, how much better is it to get to that point from a space of somewhere sometime, just opening your heart and realizing that these people need love?

Pat 1:00:55
Yes I had a when I was in Australia, I belong to a women’s group. And we had a statistician come and give a presentation. And she talked for an hour. And all she did was you know, so many shark attacks, so many snake bites, so many these kind of cancers, so many, on and on and on. schwenke is probably the most boring presentation.

Pat 1:01:18
There were 100 women in the room. And as she went on, and on and on, I started looking around the room, and I thought, right, wanting for Medicaid for depression, they got one in 12, or whatever it was for breast cancer to hear. on and on. Right. So that changed a lot of things. For me, that was about 1998 I think, right? 99, somewhere around there.

Pat 1:01:46
Because anytime I entered a room with 100 people or more, I knew who was in the room. While I knew there were women who had lost a child, just like me. I knew that there were other people who’d had cancer, just like me, I knew there were people burglarized and ships just like me.

Pat 1:02:08
And they’re in the knowing of that. It gives you permission to have the conversation that a lot of other people deran have. Yeah, and I just actually wrote a word on on my page, you know, it takes courage to, you know, carry General, a strong sense of self, to dare to venture into having that conversation. Yeah. But when you do, the doors open.

Bill 1:02:42
It’s a completely different experience, I’ve had the pleasure of the opposite version of myself and the opposite version of relating to people than the way that I used to relate. And it’s a completely different experience. It makes such an amazing difference in people’s lives to know that we, if don’t, if we haven’t experienced it, and don’t completely understand that we are at least aware that people need compassion, they need nurturing, they need love, they need everything that we need. And some some of us need more than others.

Bill 1:03:21
And at that time, if we can make ourselves available, then the difference that we make, in helping that person live a more fulfilled, happy, joyful life is is just just takes, you know, the difference is just immense. And I know that because I had some amazing people come into my life just when I needed them. Not that I already didn’t, wasn’t surrounded by amazing family and friends, but just you know, some other people that knew how to step up completely differently.

Bill 1:03:52
And they were the ones that really helped my heart to heal and, and my head to heal and everything else that needed to heal. So I really appreciate you sharing all of the amazing things that we’ve already spoken about. And we haven’t finished yet. And we need to speak a little bit about the work that you’re doing in grief and how mBraining has sort of come into the work that you do with grief. I really love to hear about that.

Pat 1:04:25
When when I did the mBraining training that I was so excited, I just felt oh this is something good. This is a really like an air of anticipation around what it would bring. And yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed it. It’s so broad everything together from my my compassionate world and my creative world. Through to now on this journey.

Pat 1:04:49
In 2004, I started a program that I called Good grief I had for the previous year worked with for union soccer therapists and we cast each other’s body parts with plaster Paris bandage making a mold or statue. And we shed myths, legends, fairy tiles, symbolism color. Other things that we we had a knowing of from our relative histories. And we made art and meaning on the cast pieces for what was happening in our life at the time.

Bill 1:05:35
Wow.

Pat 1:05:36
So we did that for 12 months, we had 12 encounters. And it was at the end of that period that I thought of the term Good grief, because I do think it brings something.

Bill 1:05:49
That’s brilliant,

Pat 1:05:50
And began the program. So the program has been essentially creating a really safe environment for people to share their story. The program now is totally choreographed to specific music. Sometimes they hear the music, sometimes they don’t. And helping them identify where in their body, their pain is stored. Then having them work in pairs, usually to capture that body part. For example, someone with breast cancer, it might be a torso.

Pat 1:06:33
And as they, as you, as the casting is applied, you’re working with the emotional body, so emotions come up. So it’s a pretty sacred and very, very high trust process. And both need to be very present to each other. And then 20, you know, 20 minutes later, the cast is removed, but it doesn’t just pop off. It needs to be eased off, and you need to work it from your inner body, because it’s still not totally set.

Pat 1:07:07
So your damage the cost piece, so much like a snake sheds its skin, it needs to be shared. And what I believe happens is extraordinary amounts of energy are released through that. And then once it’s dry, they all use what they’ve gleaned over the previous, you know, 2436 hours to bring color story, expression symbolism, how they want to paint a picture, if you like of the path forward. And the the work that comes out each year is just blows me away.

Pat 1:07:54
One of my most recent pieces, was a lady with breast cancer, her piece was called threads of life holding on and letting go. And I work with her one on one actually, for the last 12 months of her life. She had healed herself of breast cancer the first time, but when it returned five years later, chose not to do anymore, because she actually had Parkinson’s as well and had never been able to influence the Parkinson’s. So her piece was extraordinary and us did her ceremony.

Pat 1:08:28
So post the embird. And I still haven’t achieved a whole level of mastery, if you like about integrating the mBraining process into the group program. But certainly what I do do Is everyone who comes on now I have an mBraining session with beforehand. So there’s this before kind of intimate experience with me as a facilitator. So when we enter the room, we’ve got this heightened level of closeness which makes you know, creating that circle and the really high trust happens so much easier.

Moving through painful experiences

Pat 1:09:18
And then they’ve all got to knowing even in the briefest form of what mBIT is about. So their purpose as well as expressing their grief and finding a way to dispel if you like some of it or to find a way to be with it. I lost my first child 37 years ago, and you know, I don’t I don’t experience the same level of pain that I did back then. Yeah, but it’s still there.

Pat 1:09:59
And You know, we don’t, we don’t, I believe we don’t get over things. Rather we move through it. And we can do so much to bring South that word Sal Sal v to solve and Sue’s the journey and to find love where you know it, the love that where we place their love before has gone. And to, you know, grief is proceeding that there’s no way to place your love for something’s gone, right. And that’s something maybe a person will, so they’re not going to come back.

Pat 1:10:41
And I remember when all the losses happened for myself and I did these two pilots in the rest time. My family hadn’t been talking for since 1989. And I would walk into these raced home. And there were 29 residents who loved me. So, you know, leading people to, to see what’s not apparent, and to see some of the perfection of what’s been going on without intruding on any.

Pat 1:11:17
Beliefs and structures that they’re holding around how things are, and supporting them to make something beautiful. from, you know, from from this pain, to have beauty emerge, and to have it’s all about placing something into the future. It’s, you know, we’ve come through this passage is a bit like a rebirthing. Yeah. And here now is this place of wonderment and many of them are surprised. They’ll say, I had no idea I could do this kind of art. You know, I had no idea it was here. Yeah. So it releases something and brings out something.

Bill 1:11:59
Yeah. What’s interesting is I love the way that you put that, that it’s bringing something out that wasn’t apparent, or he said something along those lines. And that’s exactly what it does mBraining. I mean, it does allow people to connect somewhere where they didn’t know they could connect and bring something to their work their awareness, to dispel a myth or a belief that they had that wasn’t serving them, and to find a way to get through it with creativity and compassion and courage.

Bill 1:12:30
And you mentioned, you said that you’re not a master at mBraining. I’ve been listening to a master of mBraining talking for the last nearly more than an hour now. And this is the longest I’ve ever had an interview for. And I just can’t get myself to say we need to wrap this up.

Bill 1:12:49
So before I do actually say that, basically your you’ve embodied the philosophy of mBraining for what seems like the most of your life, just by purely coming from that heart space that connected to other space, that compassion for others, because I like to talk about mBraining as the process that allows us to directional lies with through the heart, all the things that we want to do and achieve.

Bill 1:13:19
And if we do direction wise from the heart, then we achieve great outcomes for ourselves, but that are also great for others rather than at the expense of others. Yes. So So when we’re talking about, you know, working with working in areas such as the hospital seems like you did that already perfectly well.

Bill 1:13:41
Back then when it when you talk about how you talk, memories of people that were terrible to sit through in the raw format, and nobody ever wanted to watch and turn them into a beautiful creative video, then it was something that people wanted to see. And what does that do that allows them to share part of themselves with their family and bring that family together and get to see it?

Bill 1:14:05
So I see that trait in you this leading from the heart trait in you from way back at the beginning of our conversation when you were talking about the things that you did some time ago. It really has been an amazing chat. And we I feel like I’ve come across somebody who has lived a philosophy that I kind of was seeking out for a long time and didn’t know where it was until I found them raining.

Bill 1:14:41
And I wanted to find a way to share that with some others in a coach that you know, you know, trainers training that occurred just in the last six days. And I didn’t know how to share it and it’s come to me that what I am I thought that after mBraining, I converted converted to something or became something or what in fact, I realized from what you’re saying is that I actually didn’t convert to anything because that sounds a bit cultish as well.

Bill 1:15:14
More than anything, I reverted back to the true version of how not only I, but everyone else is supposed to live. And that is from a heart space. And not from that space where the majority of the plan is living, which is above the shoulders without any connection to what’s beneath the shoulders. So this has been a profound, profound opportunity to chat to you. I really, really do appreciate it before we wrap up and go, Pat, where can people find find out about you? How can they get in touch with you if, if they feel the need to?

Pat 1:15:58
My website is dub dub, dub geology.co.nz. And I’m very pleased to be announcing that I’m going to be returning to Australia in next few weeks. So I’m going to be on Aussie ground. But the website will stay the same for some time. So and I’ll eventually get that converted over. But for now, that website will lead them to some information and to be in touch if they like to.

Bill 1:16:30
Well. Fantastic. Thank you so much for getting in touch, and connecting. I really appreciate you being part of the program and sharing your amazing experiences and your knowledge. And I look forward to getting to know you so much more in the in the weeks and months and years to come.

Pat 1:16:52
Yes, absolutely. There are there are no accidents and happening happening across that little post that you had on the Facebook page is not interesting. And it’s like you see something and you slumped over. And and here we are.

Bill 1:17:09
Yeah. One thing that I’ve picked up from mBraining is the courage to take the next step to get in touch to say hello to meet people to ask questions, even if I don’t know what the answers are going to be, and even if I don’t know if they’re going to be easy or hard to listen to.

Bill 1:17:29
And one of the things that I was missing was that courage. And the reason I was missing that courage, and that ability to connect to my gut was because of the way that I was treating my body. And you know, that’s been one of the learnings. But the biggest learning has been that when I do come into my courage, and I follow through and I take the next step that often on the other side, is the most amazing person who’s ready to share and who’s ready to just give up themselves without expecting anything back.

Bill 1:18:06
And that’s been the biggest part of the learning and the biggest, most rewarding power of stepping into my courage. So I’ve been rewarded for just being courageous. And it, it’s abundant, but there’s abundance, abundant levels of reward. And it just keeps coming and coming and coming. So I feel like I’ve been rewarded again today. Thank you so much for your time. And I look forward to talking with you very, very shortly. And looking forward to welcoming you being part of the welcome committee that welcomes you back to Australia.

Pat 1:18:44
Thank you so much to be continued.

Bill 1:18:46
To be continued indeed bye Pat.

Pat 1:18:49
Bye.

Bill 1:18:51
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Bill 1:19:16
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Pat 1:19:40
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