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Overcoming Chronic Fatigue.

Overcoming Chronic Fatigue

Overcoming Chronic Fatigue

Known as the ‘Kiwi Health Detective’, Kim Knight is a health and personal transformation coach specializing in helping people identify – and resolve – the absolute root cause of seemingly inexplicable symptoms and send them on the right path to overcoming chronic fatigue.

Unable to work for over 10 years, her own recovery from chronic fatigue syndrome, ongoing back pain, anxiety and clinical depression led her to try over 160 different therapies on her journey back to health.

The path to overcoming chronic fatigue.

By teaching people how to tap into their body wisdom, and understand the built-in self-healing abilities of the body, she shows clients how it is possible to regain health without medication or supplements.

Her three special areas of interest are stress eradication, emotional mastery and self-empowerment.

Her professional training and client experience is extensive, which combined with her first-hand experience of having to get herself well, gives her the ideal offering for clients.

She is trained in a number of cutting-edge mind-body therapies including Mickel Therapy, Moativational Medicine, The Emotion Code, mBIT Multiple Brain Integration, Advanced Clearing Energetics and Qigong, and works mostly with clients remotely via phone, online webinars and online self-help programs

Her work has earned her several health award nominations, including finalist for NEXT New Zealand Woman of the Year.

For more info visit www.artofhealth.co.nz

Highlights:

00:19 Introduction
07:30 The Kiwi Health Detective
13:34 Working with people
19:07 Following your heart
29:39 Recovering without medications
35:43 Something’s got to change
43:26 Practicing Qigong
50:57 What mBraining brings
57:59 What’s missing

Transcription:

Intro 0:04
You’re listening to The mBraining Show, a show about the new field of ambit, where you’ll get a blend of neuroscience-based research with practical applications for wise living. And now, here’s your host, Bill Gasiamis.

Introduction

Bill 0:19
Good day everyone and thank you for tuning in to another episode of The mBraining Show. Multiple brain integration techniques is a coaching modality that not only coaches to your clients head brain, but also to their heart and gut brains, giving you as a coach and your clients insights during the coaching session that you cannot normally get by coaching just to the clients head brain.

Bill 0:43
And as a result, creating an abundance of additional value to your clients making your coaching practice stand out in a crowded coaching landscape. In this episode, I talk to mBIT coach Kim Knight, who is also known as the QA half Detective Kim is an amazing person that has overcome some serious health issues.

Bill 1:07
And we can all learn a lot from her. If you are driving today. While listening to this, I suggest that you pause this episode and either pull over or listen at home as I take him on a three minute guided meditation. And you should not be doing such a meditation while you are operating a vehicle of any kind. This episode of the mBraining show is brought to you by mBrainingaustralia.com.

Bill 1:35
But are you one of the world’s leading ambit coach certification providers. If you are in a country that does not currently have an mBIT coach certification being run, and you would like to know what all the fuss is about? Get in touch. Go to the contact form at the mBraining show.com website. And I will be in touch to discuss how we can make that happen.

Bill 1:58
And now it’s on with the interview. Today I have with me the kiwi health detective ik aka Kim Knight. Kim is a health and personal transformation coach specializing in helping people identify and resolve the absolute root cause of seemingly inexplicable symptoms of chronic pain or fatigue. Unable to work for 10 years her own recovery from chronic fatigue syndrome.

Bill 2:30
Ongoing back pain, anxiety and clinical depression led her to try over 160 therapists on her journey back to health by teaching people to tap into their body wisdom and understand their built in self healing abilities of the body. She shows clients how it is possible to regain health without medication or supplements.

Bill 2:53
Her three special areas of interest are stress eradication, emotional mastery and self empowerment, or professional training and client experience is extensive, which combined with her first hand experience of having to get herself well giving her the ideal offering for clients.

Bill 3:12
She is trained in a number of cutting edge Mind Body therapies, including medical therapy, motivational medicine, the emotion code, mBIT multiple brain integration techniques, advanced clearing energetics, and ci gone and works mostly with clients remotely via phone, online webinars and online self help programs. Her work Her work has earned her several Award nominations, including finalist for next for next year’s New Zealand a woman of the year.

Bill 3:49
Welcome, Kim.

Kim 3:51
Hi, Bill. Thank you for that lovely introduction.

Bill 3:54
Well, that is an amazing intro. And we’re going to get into having a what seems like an amazing chat just by reading that and having to had the opportunity to get to know you a little earlier. A little earlier on. And just before we started the recording, you mentioned that you would love the opportunity to be guided through a better minutes worth of mBIT balanced breathing.

Kim 4:21
Hmm, sounds good. I’ve had quite a hectic day more hectic than normal.

Bill 4:27
Well, that’s a perfect opportunity. And I really love the courage that you show to ask to do that and even have that recorded. Because this is really what this program is, is about, isn’t it and the work that you do. It’s about actually finding time even a minute even if it’s during just before or just after a recording to do a little bit of balance breathing. It makes all the difference, right?

Kim 4:49
Absolutely.

Bill 4:51
Well, in that case, we’ll get stuck into it and I’ll give you the opportunity to just sit comfortably As you sit, I want you to just pay attention as you breathe, just finding a beautiful rhythm, the perfect rhythm for you a perfect breath. And just begin to notice now how the things that created those emotions, or those feelings of feeling a little bit overwhelmed.

Bill 5:50
Just notice how with every breath, those feelings and those emotions are just starting to subside and go away with every breath to becoming more and more balanced, more and more aligned. And in attention that you hold, is just going away. Allowing you to relax, become centered, feel energized.

Bill 6:39
And continue with clarity, hold and compassion in your heart. Courage in yoga, and creativity. Beautiful creativity of how to move forward in your head, right. And as you breathe Now coming back into awareness and allowing yourself to open your eyes.

Kim 7:21
That was lovely. I could’ve done that for 10 minutes.

Bill 7:26
We can do it afterwards, if you’re like, welcome.

Kim 7:29
Thank you.

The Kiwi Health Detective

Bill 7:30
So Kim, this really is a pretty cool bio. And you know what I love about it most, I love hearing the extent at which you at some point decided that your recovery was going to be achieved, and you weren’t going to leave any stone unturned. And just before we get into that, can you tell me a little bit about yourself what you’ve done in the past sort of how you got to be the Kiwi health detective?

Kim 8:03
Well, it’s been a 10 year journey of, of working as a therapist, and prior to that, you know, 1015 years of, you know, learning about myself and sorting myself out. And you know, that’s an ongoing project. So for the last 10 years, I’ve I didn’t choose, I wouldn’t say I chose to do this consciously, it just came out of what happened.

Kim 8:28
And when I recognized that I was well enough to work again, which was in 2006. Previously, I’d been working in film and television production, and that have been very, very difficult in terms of finding, you know, constant work. And it’s also an incredibly stressful, you know, industry to work in.

Kim 8:49
And prior to that I’d had many different career avenues if you like, and I’d worked a lot in, in office work and as a PA, and in travel and tourism. And when I was well enough to work again in 2006, after really just about 10 years of not working. I thought well, I just can’t go back to working at an office for somebody else again, that’s I’ll probably get sick again, if I do that, because it to me, it was soul destroying.

Kim 9:18
It just wasn’t, you know, and as we know, soul heart, you know, we’ve got to fulfill our heart’s desire. And so I thought, well, what am I going to do and, and I thought, what I’ve been training and all these therapies to professional level, not because I want to be a therapist, but because I want to get myself well, but I ended up with these qualifications.

Kim 9:36
Which enabled me to work as a therapist, and so I just started working part time, never really knowing where it was gonna go, I had no idea I would end up where I am now. So it’s just been a gradual progression of, you know, starting to work with clients, working with different modalities, training in new modalities, dropping some of those modalities, not because they weren’t good, but because I just didn’t fit my again, my heart wasn’t in it for some of them.

Kim 10:01
And I just couldn’t, couldn’t do them anymore. Because I used to do a body therapy, I used to do quite a lot of body work. And then I recognize that I just didn’t feel like I was, it wasn’t it wasn’t my path to be a body worker. So I dropped them. Yeah, and it’s just been a progression of to where I am now.

Bill 10:20
Yeah. So, you know, being unable to work for extended period of time is something I can relate to. So I’ve gone almost 12 months without being able to work properly just because of my own recovery from three brain hemorrhages.

Bill 10:35
And I’ve experienced fatigue, the kind of fatigue that appears chronic in the sense of during stroke recovery, most patients will go through a real tough time with fatigue, not being able to get up and go to the toilet, and then have any energy to do anything else for the rest of the day.

Bill 10:55
So I I’ve done that kind of for half of a year, and then slowly started getting back into work after 12 months. You did that for 10 years, you were unable to work for 10 years. Can you explain a little bit about what does it feel like when you can’t work for 10 years?

Kim 11:17
I’m sitting here smiling actually, because it just seems so crazy as I look back, and and it’s almost like I’ve forgotten what that was like, you know, but what, initially what happened was, I noticed that I was getting more and more tired at work. And and I kept on thinking, well, if I get a good night’s sleep, or I will rest over the weekend or whatever, I’ll be fine, you know, my energy will bounce back.

Kim 11:42
And this went on for nine months. And it was getting worse and worse. And I didn’t know at the time. I know now that those are the signs of adrenal fatigue. So Adrenal Fatigue Syndrome, when the adrenals are just completely exhausted, but I didn’t know that.

Kim 11:58
And then one day, I walked into work, and I just thought I cannot carry on and I quit. And I hadn’t planned to do that, that day, I just quit. And so then I went home and was sitting on the couch, literally for the next three months, just just not knowing what to do just tired to I guess get up in the morning, and sit down on the couch, watch TV.

Kim 12:21
I mean, I can’t even remember now what I was doing, but obviously wasn’t doing very much and I wasn’t able to get out of the house much. And, and then I I’m the sort of person that I don’t know, I don’t, I don’t sit around and do nothing, which is that is actually part of the problem, why people end up with chronic fatigue.

Kim 12:41
But it also allows me to be a bit of a go getter, you know, rather than a giver, upper. And you know, what worries me and everything is, you know, nothing is ever going to be good again. And after three months, I suddenly made a decision, I am not going to live the rest of my life like this.

Kim 12:57
And that was a turning point psychologically. And that sent me on the path of looking at other avenues. Because you know, up until now, the doctors have just said, well, it’s me, we don’t we don’t have a solution for it, there’s no known cause you just have to rest.

Kim 13:12
And so it’s like, I think the way I got through it was keeping myself occupied with things that interested me in as much as I could do something. So and I remember after what was it, because that was 96. So it would have been like a year a few years later. It was very, very and this is very, very important.

Working with people

Kim 13:34
When I work with people as if we’ve got to have stimulation and variety and creativity and satisfaction and fulfillment and things like that, even if we’re ill we have to have those things to keep us going and keep the spirits up. And I remember I set off on I decided I would do a photography project.

Kim 13:52
And, so it’s just a matter of doing what I could do within my means of energy. And the thing with chronic fatigue is that the energy goes up and down. And one day you could be okay, and then the next day you can be exhausted. And it is a slow recovery for some people, which it was for me.

Kim 14:13
So it was just a matter of really really finding, you know, ways to keep myself inspired. And in fact, I got to a point after five years where I still hadn’t, you know, so I’d left work gone five years, really not made any major progress. And I just bought a new house just before I left work, and it was a half-built house.

Kim 14:35
So one of my projects was, you know, slowly slowly finishing the house, as in not in major, I’m not a builder, but just in terms of I had to lay the tile, you know, get the tiles laid and paint the walls and that sort of stuff. So that was my sort of creative projects, if you like, and then after five years, I still wasn’t better.

Kim 14:53
And I actually started to ask myself, Well, maybe what if I’m never going to get better because you do tend to sort of start asking that After that time, and I made this To cut a long story short, I made a decision that I was going to do my dream trip around the world, even though I was still ill.

Kim 15:08
Because what if I wasn’t going to get better, and I might not even live much longer. That was the thought that went through my head. So even though I was really not well, I sold my house, and I set off around the world. And every so often, I would literally have to stop wherever I was, because I crashed. And I’d be sort of out of action for a week or two or three or four, just, you know, hardly able to move. So that was how I lived my life. It was sort of one day at a time.

Bill 15:37
I remember my head being switched off, because when you’re recovering from a brain injury, that it can’t do much. So it was really difficult for my head to do that. The storytelling of all the possible negative, terrible, crazy mad outcomes, you know, that heads can do from time to time.

Bill 15:56
So what I found was that I did a lot of connecting to my gut. I’m curious, what was your gut telling you? At that time, I know that it probably changed a number of times that the message or, or the feedback that it was giving you, but if you could recall, what was your gut telling you at that time?

Kim 16:14
While I’ll share a new, very interesting experience I had quite near the beginning, but it was probably like about six months after I left work. And I was standing in one of the rooms in my house, and I suddenly had this, this voice, which I’d never experienced before all sense in my head, but it came seem to be in my head.

Kim 16:35
But it wasn’t like me saying it, it was just this voice that said, how would it be if you only did what you felt like doing? In other words, you just, you didn’t do what your head said you ought to be doing. You just did what you said, You’ve your heart, and you get your gut, you know, feels like doing and you’re led by that rather than constantly the head saying you should do this, and you should do that.

Kim 17:00
And, and I listened to this voice. And I said, Okay, and they said, and you do it for a year. And I was like, okay, and I literally, metaphorically, so to speak, shook hands and made this agreement. It was a very strange experience. I haven’t had an experience like that before or since.

Kim 17:21
And anyway, so then I started to try and put this into practice. And so for I remember, afterwards, I walked into the kitchen. And there was this pile of washing up dishes in the kitchen sink. And I looked at it and my head said, God, that looks really messy, you really ought to do the dishes, you know, they need doing the and my heart and my gut just went not interested.

Kim 17:45
And so I asked my heart, my God, what what do you feel like doing then? And they said, We want to sit on the sofa and read a book. Okay, so I went sat on the sofa, and I started reading my book. And after 10 minutes, all of a sudden, it was like, I feel I feel like doing the dishes now. So it wasn’t an effort.

Kim 18:05
And I practice that every day for the next year. And by the time I got to the end of the year, I significantly changed how I did life. And then that just became you know, what do they call that the unconscious? A core competency that Yeah, so that’s unconscious to unconscious competency.

Bill 18:24
So you unconsciously did what you desired first.

Kim 18:32
Or like consciously did what I felt like doing rather than what I thought I ought to do. So to me, it was like my heart and my gut were leading me or as allowing my heart and my gut to lead me rather than my head.

Bill 18:46
And then you found that it was happening. Naturally, that process was just occurring for you without you having to make an effort.

Kim 18:52
Yeah. So it started off being really conscious, and then an unconscious competency, and it became an unconscious competency. And it’s not that I still don’t have to weigh up things now, you know, but it really significantly changed something.

Following your heart

Bill 19:06
Yeah. So what it sounds like to me is that you were following your heart’s desires and following the heart’s desires means that, you know, it for my the way I sort of understand that is that everything that needs to be done also gets done, but what you feel like doing first gets done first.

Bill 19:23
And therefore you puts you in a better state of mind, you know, to do those things which needs to be done rather than who really wants to do like, you know, washing the dishes for God’s sake.

Kim 19:34
Well, what I found, which is really interesting is that through doing it in this way, I can have say a list of things I want to get done in a day. And I might think initially, okay, I’m going to do that one first, then that one second, and that one third.

Kim 19:50
And then I come to do number one on the list, but my heart and my gut, go, no, no, that’s not the order. We want to do it in a different order. So I follow that guy. I do in that order. And then I end up doing everything on the list. But it’s just a different order.

Bill 20:04
Yeah. Which is great, really, isn’t it because it means that everything still gets done, all your requirements are met, and you’re happy about doing the things that we don’t necessarily enjoy doing.

Kim 20:15
So totally it because like in the washing the dishes example, what happened there was it went from being a chore to something that I actually really enjoyed in the moment, it was not a chore. So I get now see that a lot of chores are not actually chores at all. Well,

Bill 20:31
I think that there’s a lesson in that for most of us, because there’s definitely things that we do that we feel like our chores, and we’ll do anything to avoid them, right?

Kim 20:39
Yeah. But you know, why wait, why that happens, why they feel like chores is because we’re not doing enough of the other stuff. We’re not doing enough fun stuff. We’re not looking after ourselves enough. And our body is saying, Why should I go and do another task like that, which is, you know, not particularly fun, when you’re not giving me any you know, me time.

Bill 20:57
Yeah, that’s beautiful. That’s a beautiful way to describe it, I totally get it. And I can relate to it. And most recently, I can relate to it because because before, you know, I had my own health issues. I wasn’t aware of that. And I was going about doing the things that my head told me to do constantly.

Bill 21:13
I’ll was, you know, a self diagnose headcase, there was no doubt about it. And it wasn’t just, it wasn’t getting getting me anywhere. And although most people will say that nothing really caused the blade in my brain, you know, I think it was a number of things coming together.

Bill 21:29
And it was mostly due to lack of any kind of fulfillment or enjoyment in my life. You know, there were certain things I enjoyed, but I was doing more of the things that I didn’t enjoy.

Kim 21:39
Absolutely. And I would say, you know, being a person that specializes in helping people to really get to the real root cause of any, you know, physical symptom, I would definitely say there was a cause there. Yeah, yeah, but nothing happens randomly.

Bill 21:55
Yeah. Try telling about the some of the docs I’ve come across over the years. But never mind. That’s another topic for another day. Tell me about. So you also had to deal with ongoing back pain, anxiety, clinical depression, these things that those things all come from, or stem from your initial chronic fatigue diagnosis, or where they think things that were sitting in the background, that also then, you know, popped up, when you when you were dealing with chronic fatigue?

Kim 22:31
Well, actually, the chronic fatigue came after. And the thing is, whatever, whatever symptoms a person experiences, they are all interrelated. So what I do now with clients, when I work with them, as I look at their whole life from the day they’re born, and we look at every every illness, or accident or symptom they’ve had, because it tells a story.

Kim 22:54
So to use myself as an example, when, when I was about six or seven, I started getting really bad hay fever and nosebleeds. And at the time, of course, it’s just Well, you just go to the doctor and you get the, you know, the, the hay fever pills and nothing else was was asked. And then in my late teens, well then in my late wife, about 13, I think I got appendicitis.

Kim 23:19
I’m going to show you how all these links in a minute. And then when I was, in my late teens, I started getting really bad urinary tract infections, you know, leading to go to a specialist, I still didn’t know what it was. Then I started getting hives and allergies, and, you know, that sort of thing going on. And then I was diagnosed in my late 20s, with clinical depression.

Kim 23:46
And then I also started getting really bad, lower around the same time really bad, lower back problems, so I don’t even have to turn around in the car. And I’d so called put my back out. So I spent a lot of time at osteopaths. And sometimes, you know, just like lying on the floor unable to walk until you know, the osteopath arrived with morphine and, and then that later, a few years later developed into chronic fatigue and there were other thing there was asthma in there as well at some point.

Kim 24:13
So there were all these different symptoms, but they were all interlinked and interrelated through the fact that there were certain emotional traumas. And even you could say, from what the what happened at my birth, physical traumas that happened that were not resolved.

Kim 24:31
And that so they started, you know, putting the bat the body out of balance and the body started to develop these symptoms. So it’s very, very interesting. You can see whenever you know you look at a client’s life and you look at their complete history, everything is connected.

Bill 24:49
There. One of the strangest things I heard one of my chiropractors once asked me was how many times have I fallen down in my life, and I was Seeing this guy about three years ago, and I said to him, Well, I found out heaps of times, he said, Tell me about every single time.

Kim 25:08
Hmm, interesting.

Bill 25:10
And I’ll tell you what, what a challenge it was to remember back, but there was some significant times, even down even sort of back to the age of about six, where I could tell him about some really massive significant foals that I had. And of course, I didn’t expect him to sort of do anything with that information.

Bill 25:27
But he said, well, that’s all got to do with why your back is a certain way and why you’re showing certain symptoms today. So that was the first time that somebody, a medical professional, of any type had said to me, you know, tell me about what happened to you when you’re five, or six, or whenever, I couldn’t believe that, though, asked me about the times that I’d felt.

Kim 25:49
You know, I’ve just in what I’ve observed, is that the setup for illness later in life is by the age of seven, in every single client I’ve worked with, right, the setup unconsciously happens, you can say, baby seven to 10, definitely, by that age, and then it takes a long time, because the body is so resilient, takes us a long time before actual real illness, you know, sets in for a lot of people, although they may actually have illnesses, but then they don’t really think it’s a big deal.

Kim 26:19
You know, they, as I did, you know, I had appendicitis or what do you just have your appendix out? You know, but actually, my that was my body telling me something. So every symptom has, has a meaning, and you just have to identify what that meaning is.

Bill 26:34
Yeah. I’m curious, how do how do people then who are taught by you to tap into their body’s wisdom? How do they then use that information that they’ve come up with? What what’s the point of going back and finding out, you know, that when you were 23, you fell on your knee? All those things? You know, what’s the point of it? How do they use that info?

Kim 26:56
Well, the interesting thing is, even though I do that, in our very first session, we move on very quickly from there, and we don’t really go into the past, you know, much at all, unless and this, yeah, we don’t really go into the past, apart from the initial session to get this sort of jigsaw puzzle put together. Because whatever isn’t cleared from the past, will still be in our body today.

Kim 27:21
You know, so there’s emotional energy trapped in the body from when you were six is still here today. So it’s, it’s a mix of what I teach people to do is, it’s, I can’t really answer that in two sentences, because there’s so much to it. But on one level, and teaching people, which I had to do for myself, new habits, so healthy self care, lifestyle habits, it is huge.

Kim 27:49
Because we live, we live in a society that really doesn’t value, you know, putting our health and happiness first. It’s like, you know, work is important, or money is important, or whatever. So they really have to learn to, to be authenticity is a huge thing. It’s about learning to be authentic to oneself, and what feels right for oneself.

Kim 28:11
And so it’s like clearing old limiting beliefs, perhaps that we’ve taken on clearing emotional energy from past traumas, which haven’t been resolved. And and then changing lifestyle behaviors. So for example, one of my habits, which, you know, was a contributing factor to symptoms, because everything counts was I would go into my office at seven in the morning, even though it wasn’t working back then.

Kim 28:37
But I’d still, you know, get in at that time. And, and I’d say, Okay, I’m going to check my emails for five minutes. And then I’d be this would be like, seven in the morning, at three hours later, I’d still be there. Now, my mind. So we’re going back to the three brains, my thinking brain would be going, Oh, this is interesting.

Kim 28:54
Oh, this is interest simile. I’ll just read that or just look at that. So my thinking brain was very, you know, happy. But my heart and my gut, were going, I want some food, I want some fresh air, I want to go for a walk. And I just be ignoring it with my, my thinking brain because that’s the free will factor we can override. So I had to learn and this is the biggie, we have to learn to listen to our heart and our gut and you know this and to trust it and then to act upon it.

Bill 29:21
Yeah the important part act upon it.

Kim 29:25
Action is huge, huge. And Mikkel therapy is very, very good for that’s all about, you know, it’s all about the head, the heart and the gut, although they term it differently. They just say head and body or head and emotions.

Recovering without medications

Bill 29:39
Yeah. Tell me a little bit about there’s a pretty big coal here. In your bio, we’re looking at your part of the buyer that says, you know, you show clients how it is possible to regain health without medication or supplements. Now, that’s pretty far out. That comment is not something that most people would subscribe to.

Bill 29:59
Because, of course, Most people, when they wake up in the morning and something hurts or look like looks like it’s about to hurt, or go to the gap and get and ask for something to make a better or go away, you know, the magic pill? How is it possible for you to have come through chronic fatigue, you know, back pain, anxiety, clinical depression, and do all of that without medication supplements that sounds? It sounds challenging to achieve that. Tell me a little bit about that part of your, your, your process?

Kim 30:33
Well, it’s interesting, because I feel like I’m sitting on the other side of the fence to where I was born. So when I was born, I grew up in a family in a, you know, in a culture in the UK, and where, but it could be easily in New Zealand as well, whereby if there’s something wrong with you, you don’t question why there is you don’t even think to question why you just go to the doctor to get as you say, either the pill or the cream, or perhaps surgery.

Kim 30:59
And nothing more is thought about or questioned. And now through what I’ve gone through, is I’m now sitting on the other side of the fence, where I just see a much, much bigger picture of understanding around this topic. And the key thing here is it’s about consciousness. It’s about understanding.

Kim 31:19
And it’s about learning that actually there are other options, there are other ways of looking at it, there is a different approach. And the big one is understanding that. Well, what two big ones potentially is one is understanding that physical symptoms are not usually the result of something physical, there’s, they’re, they’re usually the result of something metaphysical.

Kim 31:44
And the word meta means beyond so beyond physical, and that beyond is essentially something either, you know, either in with the mind, or I don’t like saying mental because that sounds you know, people take that word the wrong way. But in the mind, or, and or emotions, and we could even say spiritually, you know, if we’re off track on life.

Kim 32:06
So it’s about understanding that, up until now, what we believe to be true, may actually not be true. And what I find with you know, a lot of people that I that I work with is initially yes, that was their conditioning, and they went down that track, and then I didn’t find the answers.

Kim 32:25
And then through sheer desperation, something happens inside of them, which happened to me too, in that moment, where is that I decided, I’m just gonna find the answer is we go, Okay, this isn’t working, I surrender, I surrender to something different in you. And I’m gonna allow myself to break and shatter my paradigm of what I think life is about. And that opens up new possibilities.

Kim 32:49
And then the information starts coming to us. Because the interesting thing is, all this information is here. But if we’re trapped inside a bubble of our consciousness, and our conscious awareness, then we were preventing, you know, any more information coming in. And the best description of that that I’ve ever read was from McHale small, right, who is a very interesting lady.

Kim 33:15
And a lot of what she writes would be way outside people’s, you know, paradigm. But she talks about how the fact that all of reality is here right now. But we have what is called a ring path, not around our consciousness, which which means that what is inside that ring past naught, or imagine you’re like in a little bubble, is what is the amount of reality that you can handle at this point in time.

Kim 33:41
But sometimes we have what are called expansion experiences where our consciousness expands and the ring past not expands. And as it expands, more of reality can sit inside our bubble. And so for me, I had a big ring path, not expansion. Actually, it was when I was in hospital with clinical depression.

Kim 34:00
And I didn’t know that at the time, I had no idea what was happening. But all I knew was I was lying in bed, I couldn’t do anything I couldn’t read. I couldn’t watch television. I could just basically exist and it was only over a period of like a week. But some something very intense was going on inside me in my consciousness.

Kim 34:19
And what was really happening was my consciousness was being broken down. My old paradigm was being broken down to make way to build just like you have to break down a skyscraper to build a new one. Yeah, it was being dismantled. And it was very uncomfortable mentally, and, and to make space for a new skyscraper to be to be built.

Kim 34:39
But that skyscraper didn’t get built overnight. It got built over a period of years. And seven years later, I remember looking back going, Oh, my goodness, I just perceived the world completely differently. Yeah, but I didn’t make that happen. It just sort of happened.

Bill 34:54
Yeah, that’s beautiful. So you know What’s also great about this is that we don’t have to have a melt to have some type to have that experience do we? So people who are going through some tough times and are noticing and are aware of perhaps some of their patterns, not serving them right now could actually just make a effort to suspend their belief at the moment just for what they already know, and where they’re already at.

Bill 35:20
Just to spin their belief, and give themselves an opportunity to turn up to something new, a course, whatever, and just see what comes of it, gain some information, with no expectations, to do anything with it, or to make a change in their lives. But just allow themselves to discover and then see what emerges from that with no other goal in mind.

Something’s got to change

Kim 35:43
That sounds like a great way to do it. But the interesting thing is, I don’t know what you found is that, but I’ve certainly observed, and it’s certainly been true for me, is that a human being seems to be able to tolerate a huge amount of pain and stress and whatever, before they get to the point of okay, willing to change, I’ve got to change, something’s got to change.

Bill 36:03
Yeah, I’ve got to agree with you there, I assumed there was one of those kind of people However, now that I am sort of beat four years into my recovery, my when I say recovery, you know, my holistic recovery, not just the head recovering, I can sort of see myself as somebody who in the future, potentially could find some little rabbit holes that I go down and almost forget that I’m hitting down there.

Bill 36:27
And as a result, I need something to pick myself up. And and again, I think that opportunity to know that I can suspend my belief allows me to look up every once in a while from that rabbit hole. And notice I, you’ve gone down pretty far, why don’t you start heading back the other way and start heading towards the light again. So for me, I certainly wouldn’t have done that in the past.

Bill 36:53
And it was an amazing coach that made me do that in her own way. She made me suspend my belief. And believe it or not, you know what she made me do? All she said to me was, if I’m going to be your coach, you have to give up drinking soft drinks. And I just, I just could not believe that somebody would say that, to me.

Bill 37:15
I thought it was the rudest, most obnoxious thing, something somebody would say. And it took me a while. And we spent an hour together that day. And then I said to her, you know what, I’m not sure why you asked me that. I really don’t. Don’t know what that’s all about. But I’ll do it anyway, like, I’ll do it just because I want to I want to be coached by you.

Bill 37:33
And, and I’m going to go down that path. What I realized later was that, that was a technique that allowed me to stop to break a pattern that I was in for the best part of 37 years. And with that first experience of breaking a pattern, the unconscious mind started to realize, Hey, you know what, there’s other patterns that you are about to break. And they are pretty easy to break when your heart is in it when you’re motivated by your values.

Kim 38:02
That’s a really great way to put it.

Bill 38:05
Fantastic. So I got a lot. I’ve got a lot out of it. This has been so far and amazing conversation, I really, I’m getting heaps out of this as we move forward. Your special areas of interest are stress eradication, emotional mastery and self empowerment. Now, stress eradication, I remember a time when people were talking about stress as this thing that didn’t exist a word that we used to use, but stress doesn’t exist. Is it really possible to eradicate stress?

Kim 38:37
Oh, that’s a really interesting question. Essentially, I, I think, yes, I haven’t completely got there. But I’ll share why I think we can get a lot of the way there. So I had got better from chronic fatigue. And I didn’t have symptoms anymore. But one day, I noticed that I was really, really stressed.

Kim 39:01
And what it wasn’t just that day, it was that I became aware of this stress pattern that I’d had for a long, you know, my whole life actually. And I could feel inside my body that my body was feeling very ill at ease with this stress response, you know, literally the stress response being switched on.

Kim 39:21
And I knew that it wasn’t healthy, I could just feel it. And so I made another decision, right? I’m gonna do whatever it takes to reduce stress, because if I don’t I get this sense that I could maybe, you know, do some further damage. And I’m not even a word what I was, you know, it was going through my head, but for the sort of things that, you know, happened to people when they’re super stressed.

Kim 39:42
And so I made this decision, I’m going to do whatever it takes to de-stress myself and I recognize that it was an addiction. Actually, I was actually addicted to stress and I also worked out which is a big missing piece. I think for a lot of people. That that that is Unconsciously set up the stress response as being a safer place to be.

Kim 40:04
Because when I was young, it was safer to be in that fight-flight respond well, and this is what happens for every single person that I work with, they have had these traumas that get set up in childhood, and that it’s not safe to be relaxed, because we’re either on guard physically or emotionally.

Kim 40:20
And so it becomes safer to be on, you know, tend to hooks and have the, you know, read a lot alert sign-on. So that became unconscious, and other lovely unconscious competency, but not one that actually serves. And so I made this commitment that I was going to notice what created stress, you know, in my life, and I worked out that there were external stressors, which is like, you know, somebody could ring up and say, I want this piece of work done in an hour.

Kim 40:47
And you know, it’s simply impossible, for example, that puts the body into stress. And there were internal stressors, which were my habits, for example, of always running late for appointments. So that would put my body into stress, because that was me unconsciously perpetuating the stress response. And also, obviously, thoughts, you know, create stress.

Kim 41:11
So there was a whole heap of stuff that contribute, and also not looking after oneself and not having enough relaxation time, or meditation or taking the time to do you know, to do those sort of things. So I identified all these different stressors and started working through them, you know, bit by bit.

Kim 41:28
And it took me about three years, I would say till I got to a point where I felt like, you know, what, I’ve really made huge progress in this. And so that was like about 2009, by that point. And I’d already been working very, very thoroughly on learning how to clear emotional energy from my body, because the turning point for recovery from chronic fatigue for me, was when I met my teacher who, who wasn’t my teacher, but he became my teacher. And he said, to me, chronic fatigue is not a lack of energy. It’s blocked energy. Right? And that was just like, a lightbulb moment.

Bill 42:05
Thank you very much.

Kim 42:08
Five years of searching, you know, wondering why I was tired thinking I had no energy, and then discovering the truth that actually I had masses of energy, but I was blocking it. And specifically, what I was blocking was emotional energy, because emotional energy is a form of energy.

Kim 42:25
And so I’ve been working from 2000 to 2009, every day, using specific and emotional clearing techniques. So that’s quite a stretch of time, you know, to be doing that. And in that time, I really, you know, things change significantly, internally, in terms of being able to handle emotions, knowing how to, you know, what to do with them, how to clear them.

Kim 42:50
And so by 2009, I’d worked on my emotions, and I’d also worked on, you know, clearing stress. And that’s not to say, I didn’t get emotional or stress anymore, but it was very different and much less, then in 2009. And nothing is ever happens, you know, out of sequence, you know, in our life does it.

Kim 43:09
I met my new Qigong teacher, and I went to my first two week training with him, and it was a very intense training, as they usually are, actually become less intense over the years, I have to say, but he used to be a lot, sort of more strict and, you know, disciplined and whatever.

Practicing Qigong

Kim 43:26
And so we’re on this two week training, it’s every day from 630, in the morning till nine in the evening, just with meal breaks, no days off. And it was in silence. So that was quite an you know, and we’re just practicing like, six, seven hours of Qigong every day. And during that training, I went into this space, which I’d never been in before, where I everything was completely still inside my body.

Kim 43:52
So my mind was still and my energy was flowing, you know, TCE was flowing very, very smoothly. And I could feel the energy moving in my internal organs, before it became an emotion, because different emotions, you know, appear in different organs or are related to different organs.

Kim 44:12
So anger in the liver and worrying the splane and sadness in the lungs and that sort of thing. And I could feel the energy stirring pre becoming an emotion and I was able to come it back down to stillness, again, just with my mind. And he was harping on, on, on, on going on and on and on about how our natural state is to be calm, which means the mind is completely calm, and the body is completely relaxed, and that is our natural state.

Kim 44:42
But what is natural has become unnatural, and what is unnatural, has become natural. And that what we have to do again and again and again, is that as soon as our energy becomes sort of like a you know, ripples on a pond, we have to do whatever it takes to get back to this complete Clear pond, and of course practicing Qigong, you know, one is able to, that’s what one of the things that it enables one to do.

Kim 45:08
And, and I kept on, I was so confused, because I was experiencing something that I’d never thought was possible that I’d never even thought, you know, would happen, not because I’d never even thought it might happen, if that makes sense. Yeah, was that, wow, I’m in this space where I’m not experiencing any negative emotions.

Kim 45:27
I’m just experiencing actually a real joy that is starting to come out of my heart. And I’m not stressed. Yeah. And he was, you know, lecturing, you know, during that whole retreat on, you know, this is our natural state, and spontaneously, I was experiencing it. And, and I kept on saying, so do you mean that we don’t have to experience negative emotions, and he’s going yes, and I’m going, wow, I just thought I was just gonna always have these negative emotions.

Kim 45:58
And I just keep, you know, clearing them so that I came home. And that experience continued for about three months, I was in that space for about three months. And then it slowly sort of wore off, but I never went back to where I was before. So, you know, I feel that it is possible, and actually, you know, for a higher evolved human being, which is what he is for sure.

Kim 46:23
That is the space that he lives in inside that that is the state that I, as far as I understand that he experiences and these sort of, you know, enlightened teachers experience, because there’s a complete, complete transformation to another level of existence internally.

Bill 46:41
Wow. That’s a really good answer. That’s what I wanted to hear. Because what a goal, why not work towards stress eradication, emotional mastery? Why not? I mean, it’s achievable if we think it is right. And it’s achievable if we work towards courageously achieving it, and people need to know that that’s possible. It shouldn’t be An An An unachievable goal.

Kim 47:08
Well, interestingly enough, yeah, two things I can say to that is, a few years ago, I used I’m not doing so much now, because of the Qigong is taking over a bit. But for years, for 12 years, I did Kriya Yoga, which is actually a a yogic form of meditation. So it’s got the word yoga in there, but it’s not yoga as in going and doing, you know, lots of postures, it’s a true authentic yogic meditation.

Kim 47:36
And yoga actually means, you know, coming together, unity, you know, unifying. And, and anyway, the teacher came to give a lecture from India, the current head of the Kriya Yoga Institute, and he is an enlightened being. And he started off the lecture and the first words that he said, were, become your own master.

Kim 48:01
And it was like, I was hit with like a brick, you know, between the eyes of, oh my god, that’s what it’s about. And I even printed that on my cheek on, you know, and I use it a lot. When I talked with people, it was like, you know, become your master or master your ci or something like that. And I can remember, there was something else I was gonna say, from what you just said,

Bill 48:24
I was gonna just respond to that, it’s better than looking at another master for answers, to guide us, right, because if we become our own master, then we’re not reliant on anybody.

Kim 48:36
Absolutely, and that’s what it’s all about. And I just remembered the other the other bit, too, that is, at the end of our training this year, because we have an annual Qigong training, and it’s, it’s sort of very traditionally taught in a way and that you get taught something, you go away and practice it for a year, and then you can come back and go to the next level.

Kim 48:54
And in our training this year, we were being taught a very, in a very amazing technique that is, essentially is to lead one to this, you know, very high level of consciousness. And he said that once you master this, you know, once you get to this place, and you’ve mastered, you know, all these different steps, your life begins again, it’s just like, it’s a whole new ballgame.

Kim 49:26
And, you know, I worked out the minimum amount of time it would take me if I was to practice diligently every single day and everything was to go to plan, the minimum amount of time if I was to, you know, get to that point, would probably be 10 to 12 years. Yeah, but that’s what you know, really telogen practice.

Bill 49:45
Yeah. I certainly know what you mean about your life starting again, because I have that sort of level of understanding or feeling of my life having started again, that line was drawn in the sand, you know, The first time the head bled. And even though I didn’t know it at the time, I can look back now.

Bill 50:04
And I can say that and most many people wouldn’t recognize me now from the person that I was to the person that I’m becoming, and not that it was a completely dysfunctional kind of guy. But certainly I was doing things that weren’t serving me and people would never have expected me to be in the space that I’m in now, especially interviewing, you know, awesome people from all over the planet, telling me some amazing things. I get so much out of this. So really appreciate your time.

Kim 50:32
Oh, well, I appreciate your time, too. And I had a very similar experience when I came out of the hospital of feeling like a newborn baby. That’s the only way I can explain that.

Bill 50:41
Yeah, that’s amazing. I’m sure there’ll be other people out there that relate to that. And if they can, and do relate to that, please get in touch with us via the web page, which, you know, we’d love to hear from you. We’d love to hear what other people have experienced.

What mBraining brings

Bill 50:57
As we move on, Kim, this is The mBraining Show. And I was curious about what mBraining has brought to the game for you, because you’ve done some amazing things. And I’d love to hear your mBraining journey a little a little bit.

Kim 51:15
So do you just mean literally since I started learning, mBraining? Or do you mean the whole thing about learning about the three brains?

Bill 51:22
Well, I want to know what it’s brought to the game for you and your the way that you work with people and even the things that you already knew, because I know there’s a lot of similarities. There’s a lot of things from ci Gong, that, that are similar to the way that we talk about embracing and I haven’t done cheek on so I love hearing about that. But I just want to know how embracing has added another layer to the work that you do.

Kim 51:53
Well, as I said, I’d already I think before I came across em braining I’d already done, I had had this experience that I shared, you know just before about, okay, just follow your heart and your gut. So that was when I started to, you know, unconsciously tuned into the fact that I had three brains, I wasn’t calling it that at the time. And then I like make therapy, which is very much about, you know, the different brains are they turn they turn it in different ways.

Kim 52:19
And so when I came across, embracing, it was like, Oh, okay. Oh, and by the way, also, yeah, in Qi Gong, you know, they talk about the three danti ends, which, which are, which are the three brains, it’s just that they talk about them in a different way in their energy storage centers for different types of tea, and, you know, etc.

Kim 52:40
So when I came to mBraining it was like, oh, here’s another piece, here’s another way of looking at it. But in a really nice, clear cut scientific way, with very clear parameters of what each brain does, isn’t that useful? And so it’s just added on and all the information, you know, goes into a mixing bowl and just expands and becomes more comprehensive. And I love the description of the, you know, the core competencies, if that makes so much sense.

Bill 53:13
Yeah, so that’s been so letting people know that the heart is not just about pumping blood on the head is not just about, you know, the computer, the supercomputer in the gut is not just a bunch of stinky plumbing, they all have specific roles to play, right?

Kim 53:28
Well, yeah, as in, you know, that the heart is, you know, relational effect. And, you know, the gut is the, you know, the true self or the eyed self identity or whatever. Yeah, so, but I find that is, people really can understand that and relate to it. And it makes sense. And, you know, people are amazed, I’m sure, you found that when you take them through an mBraining exercise, the information that they get from inside of them, they didn’t even know was there.

Kim 53:53
And you know, they’ve had this problem that they’ve been going round around in circles in their head trying to get an answer, but the answer isn’t there. And then when they find that the information was actually inside of them, they just had to be able to access it.

Bill 54:06
Yeah. I certainly found, it’s amazing. It’s an amazing way and gentle way to help people connect with what they truly value and who they are, how that how to identify. And also to come up with creative ways to start working towards their values. And to find the courage to do that, you know, is really, very simple.

Bill 54:30
So I had a lot of experience with psychologists in the past, where, you know, I was seeking some counseling for different issues. And one of the things I kept getting stuck with was that issue of Okay, so we’ve come up with great creative ways to fix things and do things and not do things.

Bill 54:48
But it was never It was very rarely did we actually pick that it was a value that wasn’t being fulfilled and when I’d leave the, the counseling session or whatever it was I would go back a week or two later, and my awesome psychologists would say, so how did you go? And so I didn’t do anything that you said, Sure, why not? I said, I don’t know, I just didn’t do anything.

Bill 55:11
You know, it seemed like a great idea at the time, but I didn’t take any action on and I don’t know why. And I couldn’t tell why. So then when I stumbled into the firm, or the, you know, one of the second mBraining courses ever in Melbourne, in 2012, I understood why for 10 years of seeing a psychologist for different matters in different issues, I discovered that while I wasn’t taking action, most of the time was because my heart wasn’t in it.

Kim 55:36
Absolutely. And that is, you know, that is what has to change and is changing is that both, you know, you go and see a psychologist, or you go and see a doctor, they’re only really looking at things from a head perspective and trying to understand it, or from a head perspective.

Kim 55:53
And then also looking from a physical perspective, but only as an end result. And, you know, it’s like, the body is almost like disconnected from everything else, you know, physically, you know, whatever is happening, physically has nothing to do with the mind or the emotions or the spirit.

Kim 56:08
And the word that always comes back to me as one of the core words is authenticity. You know, and, and in order to be authentic and be true to ourselves, we have to have that integrity. And integrity comes from those three brains being aligned.

Bill 56:24
Yeah, that’s beautiful. That is another, that is something for everyone to pay attention to, or integrity comes from the three black brains being aligned. I know many things come from that. But it is absolutely true that integrity does come from that, I love that.

Kim 56:38
Well, I love the work because you know, in, you know, this integral in, you know, indigo one, you know, and I always see this picture in my mind of like a solid line going down through the body joining all three brains, you know, because when you’re in alignment, there’s this alignment.

Bill 56:52
That’s beautiful. Grant, I hope you’re listening, we’ve got something awesome out of this episode. Grant always listens. But some of the things that come up during our conversations, just take mBraining to the next level. And that’s why we love it. I love interviewing people on why I love getting together with the community, because this is a community that’s been co created by everyone that’s involved, because everyone works in a individual sort of area-specific to them.

Bill 57:18
And what I love about it is, you know, I know this is a bit of a stretch, but you know, doctors specialized, you’ve got a neurosurgeon, you’ve got a guy that operates on the heart, you’ve got a lovely doctor that will do gut surgeries, and they are all specialists.

Bill 57:33
And yet, wouldn’t it be great if they all got into the room every once in a while and said, Hey, you know, that thing that you did on the heart? Does that affect anything else? And you know, is that a problem that is causing the hit, etc? Wouldn’t it be great if they brought this individual skills together and co-created a new version of medicine?

Kim 57:52
So how would that given your situation? What difference would that have made for you? Because were they just focusing more on the head?

What was missing

Bill 57:59
Brilliant question. Well, what happened with me was that, so a number of different doctors between the first episode in 2012, and the last episode in November 2014. And then, in the subsequent follow ups, so what happened was, yeah, they definitely just focus on the head, they focus on the head, the head, the head, what’s caused the bleeding the head, how can we fix the bleed in the head.

Bill 58:25
And although that’s great, because we need answers to those things. When it comes to rehab, or at least I found, as an observer now, when I was going through my own rehab to learn how to walk again, almost 12 months ago, what happened was, there was some people in rehab that weren’t getting any success in regaining their ability to move their hands walk, etc.

Bill 58:48
They had some small amounts of success. But I wouldn’t say that in the amount of time that they were there, that they were achieving the kind of outcomes that the physios or the people that were helping them would want had wanted them to achieve. And I’ll tell you an awesome story.

Bill 59:05
So when I was sitting in rehab, and wondering, you know, how I’m going to get out of there, the sooner the better. I thought, as quickly as possible. I thought about my family or thought about, you know, how I could be with them for Christmas or thought about how I could, you know, not miss out on all those things that people miss out on.

Bill 59:25
I thought about how I could make my wife’s life easier because she had to go to work, come and see me then go home, cook for the kids getting ready for school the next day, you know, it was a really difficult time for us. And even though we had the support of the extended family, I needed to get out of there quick, smart and more than anything just to be at home rather than completely back to, you know, running the house and doing all those types of things.

Bill 59:51
So there was a guy that was sitting then his task was to rehab his left hand was to pick up an empty toilet roll and move it from On the left side of his body to the right side of his body. And as he was doing that he was calling his hand a bastard.

Bill 1:00:09
And he was telling his hand move you bastard. And I said to him, and I heard him do that a couple of times. And I was noticing that he wasn’t getting the outcome that he wanted. And it was really challenging. And it was frustrating for him. Because I had a good rapport with him, because we were always in this hands session together for about two weeks.

Bill 1:00:27
One of the sessions, I said to him, I think his name was Ivan, I said to him, Ivan, I’m curious if your hand was moving and doing what you wanted it to do, what would you call it? And he said, I’ll call it my friend. So all of a sudden, automatically, I know now, from an mBIT coach’s perspective, I know that he’s gone out of his head and is connected to his heart.

Bill 1:00:50
So now his heart his direction lies in his recovery. But he’s not aware of that. And that’s okay. So I said to why don’t you call it your friend from now on, and just see what happens. So we are sitting in this room now, he has not been able to go any further in the last two weeks that I was seeing with.

Bill 1:01:10
And soon as i said that sentence, he said, okay, friend, move, his friend of that hand, squeeze that toilet roll, and moved it to the side of his body that he needed to go to within 30 seconds of us having that conversation. Everyone was floored. So what I didn’t get that this person got inadvertently without me being able to really go back and explain to these physios, what I had done.

Bill 1:01:36
Was I was able to direct analyze his recovery, via making it a value of his, via the heart and the doctors in their own way. Try to get me back on my feet. However, they don’t ask me to check what values will I be fulfilling, when I get back on my feet, I just tell me that logically, you need to get up, you need to walk, you need to go back to work, you need to pay the bills, you need to do all those things.

Bill 1:02:01
And you know what, when you and I have been through the kind of experiences we’re through, you know, logic is no longer an option. We’re not interested in what’s logical. And I found myself being able to fulfill my heart’s desires. In a period of time, that was half the time expected by the doctors, the doctors had me booked into rehab for two months, I was out of it in a month.

Bill 1:02:24
And within three weeks, and within three months after being released, I was driving for hours, even though it wasn’t completely okay for hours up to lock sport to visit with grant Susa, to do some videos that we recorded, which most people after brain surgery and not being able to feel the left side and not being able to walk a few months earlier, probably wouldn’t have been able to do so.

Bill 1:02:47
I know that other people have done this as well. And if they’re out there, and if they’re listening, I’d love to know what was different for them. When they went about exceeding the expectations of their doctors. How did they prove the doctors wrong? so to speak? Hope that answers the question, Kim.

Kim 1:03:03
No, it’s a beautiful answer. And it’s a beautiful story. And it, it brings it back to when you asked me you know, how can people believe that it’s possible, you know, to heal without medication or surgery or supplements or whatever. And, and what I now know is that the body is the ultimate self healing machine. It’s It is designed to self heal. And the only reason usually it doesn’t is because we get in the way.

Kim 1:03:30
And we could get in the way with some medication, in fact, because actually, a lot of the time when we have symptoms, our body is actually already in the healing response. But it’s often not a comfortable place to be we may have a fever, we may have symptoms, but it is the body trying to recalibrate and bring itself back to harmony. But we misinterpret and don’t understand what’s going on.

Kim 1:03:55
And, you know, back to, you know, in relation to your story of what this this this guy what Ivan was it Ivan did was is in chigan we say you know there are many sort of sayings of truths, if you like true as truisms of Shen is the master of ci and Shen is the consciousness. And she is the intermediary between sharing the consciousness and the body.

Kim 1:04:19
And so where your mind goes, she goes and where she goes, blood flows. And so what you tell your mind to do, or what or how you use your mind is how you, you know, your ci and your body will operate. And our natural state is to is not to be in order, you know, you bastard, you know, anger, fear, whatever.

Kim 1:04:43
It’s to be in the love and the joy and you know, that sort of a state so our body is going to respond always when we, you know, speak nicely to it. And you know, and then not just our body but you speak nicely to your car. You speak now. To computer it will work better.

Bill 1:05:02
Yeah, we talked about in mBraining, and I’m sure you’ve come across this is that, just like in Chinese medicine, we borrow the term that the heart is the Emperor or the Empress. And the gut is the general whose job it is to mobilize the troops to use creativity at the head to come up with creative ways to fulfill the heart’s desires.

Kim 1:05:24
Absolutely.

Bill 1:05:25
Yeah. So, on that note, this is a conversation that I could just continue to have. And we have to come to an end. Tell me a little bit about where people can get in touch with you.

Kim 1:05:41
Well, Facebook, just google Kim Knight Out of health. And I’m actually in the process of having new websites. I’m not quite sure what the domain is kind of be. But I’ve several domains. So there’s artofhealth.co.nz, and the kiwihealthdetective.com. And also, but it’s not in use yet. Kim night health.com. So those would be the main places to go. And YouTube as well.

Bill 1:06:13
You have a YouTube channel and the Kim Knight?

Kim 1:06:16
I think it’s on the art of health.

Bill 1:06:19
Okay, I’m sure a Google search on Kim might will bring up all of those amazing places. To get more information about you. It’s been an amazing chat. Thank you so much for your time. I really, truly appreciate it. I wish you all the best for the end of 2015 and an amazing 2016.

Kim 1:06:38
Oh, thank you. And likewise, I think you’re amazing. I think we have a lot in common and a lot we could talk about.

Bill 1:06:44
We definitely could. And this is the beginning of a really cool conversation to continue. Next year, if you’re ever in Melbourne. I’d love to catch up with you. And likewise, when I make a trip down to or up to the beautiful place over there in New Zealand, I am going to be knocking on your door.

Kim 1:07:05
Sure. Great.

Bill 1:07:07
Thanks, Kim. All the best. And everyone. Thank you once again for listening to another episode of the mBraining show. I hope that you loved it. And if you did, please do let us know what you thought about it. Leave us some of your comments and your feedback. We’d love receiving them.

Bill 1:07:22
That’s it for now. Bye now.

Kim 1:07:25
Bye bye.

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Bill 1:07:50
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Overcoming Chronic Fatigue.

Overcoming Chronic Fatigue

Overcoming Chronic Fatigue

Known as the ‘Kiwi Health Detective’, Kim Knight is a health and personal transformation coach specializing in helping people identify – and resolve – the absolute root cause of seemingly inexplicable symptoms and send them on the right path to overcoming chronic fatigue.

Unable to work for over 10 years, her own recovery from chronic fatigue syndrome, ongoing back pain, anxiety and clinical depression led her to try over 160 different therapies on her journey back to health.

The path to overcoming chronic fatigue.

By teaching people how to tap into their body wisdom, and understand the built-in self-healing abilities of the body, she shows clients how it is possible to regain health without medication or supplements.

Her three special areas of interest are stress eradication, emotional mastery and self-empowerment.

Her professional training and client experience is extensive, which combined with her first-hand experience of having to get herself well, gives her the ideal offering for clients.

She is trained in a number of cutting-edge mind-body therapies including Mickel Therapy, Moativational Medicine, The Emotion Code, mBIT Multiple Brain Integration, Advanced Clearing Energetics and Qigong, and works mostly with clients remotely via phone, online webinars and online self-help programs

Her work has earned her several health award nominations, including finalist for NEXT New Zealand Woman of the Year.

For more info visit www.artofhealth.co.nz

Highlights:

00:19 Introduction
07:30 The Kiwi Health Detective
13:34 Working with people
19:07 Following your heart
29:39 Recovering without medications
35:43 Something’s got to change
43:26 Practicing Qigong
50:57 What mBraining brings
57:59 What’s missing

Transcription:

Intro 0:04
You’re listening to The mBraining Show, a show about the new field of ambit, where you’ll get a blend of neuroscience-based research with practical applications for wise living. And now, here’s your host, Bill Gasiamis.

Introduction

Bill 0:19
Good day everyone and thank you for tuning in to another episode of The mBraining Show. Multiple brain integration techniques is a coaching modality that not only coaches to your clients head brain, but also to their heart and gut brains, giving you as a coach and your clients insights during the coaching session that you cannot normally get by coaching just to the clients head brain.

Bill 0:43
And as a result, creating an abundance of additional value to your clients making your coaching practice stand out in a crowded coaching landscape. In this episode, I talk to mBIT coach Kim Knight, who is also known as the QA half Detective Kim is an amazing person that has overcome some serious health issues.

Bill 1:07
And we can all learn a lot from her. If you are driving today. While listening to this, I suggest that you pause this episode and either pull over or listen at home as I take him on a three minute guided meditation. And you should not be doing such a meditation while you are operating a vehicle of any kind. This episode of the mBraining show is brought to you by mBrainingaustralia.com.

Bill 1:35
But are you one of the world’s leading ambit coach certification providers. If you are in a country that does not currently have an mBIT coach certification being run, and you would like to know what all the fuss is about? Get in touch. Go to the contact form at the mBraining show.com website. And I will be in touch to discuss how we can make that happen.

Bill 1:58
And now it’s on with the interview. Today I have with me the kiwi health detective ik aka Kim Knight. Kim is a health and personal transformation coach specializing in helping people identify and resolve the absolute root cause of seemingly inexplicable symptoms of chronic pain or fatigue. Unable to work for 10 years her own recovery from chronic fatigue syndrome.

Bill 2:30
Ongoing back pain, anxiety and clinical depression led her to try over 160 therapists on her journey back to health by teaching people to tap into their body wisdom and understand their built in self healing abilities of the body. She shows clients how it is possible to regain health without medication or supplements.

Bill 2:53
Her three special areas of interest are stress eradication, emotional mastery and self empowerment, or professional training and client experience is extensive, which combined with her first hand experience of having to get herself well giving her the ideal offering for clients.

Bill 3:12
She is trained in a number of cutting edge Mind Body therapies, including medical therapy, motivational medicine, the emotion code, mBIT multiple brain integration techniques, advanced clearing energetics, and ci gone and works mostly with clients remotely via phone, online webinars and online self help programs. Her work Her work has earned her several Award nominations, including finalist for next for next year’s New Zealand a woman of the year.

Bill 3:49
Welcome, Kim.

Kim 3:51
Hi, Bill. Thank you for that lovely introduction.

Bill 3:54
Well, that is an amazing intro. And we’re going to get into having a what seems like an amazing chat just by reading that and having to had the opportunity to get to know you a little earlier. A little earlier on. And just before we started the recording, you mentioned that you would love the opportunity to be guided through a better minutes worth of mBIT balanced breathing.

Kim 4:21
Hmm, sounds good. I’ve had quite a hectic day more hectic than normal.

Bill 4:27
Well, that’s a perfect opportunity. And I really love the courage that you show to ask to do that and even have that recorded. Because this is really what this program is, is about, isn’t it and the work that you do. It’s about actually finding time even a minute even if it’s during just before or just after a recording to do a little bit of balance breathing. It makes all the difference, right?

Kim 4:49
Absolutely.

Bill 4:51
Well, in that case, we’ll get stuck into it and I’ll give you the opportunity to just sit comfortably As you sit, I want you to just pay attention as you breathe, just finding a beautiful rhythm, the perfect rhythm for you a perfect breath. And just begin to notice now how the things that created those emotions, or those feelings of feeling a little bit overwhelmed.

Bill 5:50
Just notice how with every breath, those feelings and those emotions are just starting to subside and go away with every breath to becoming more and more balanced, more and more aligned. And in attention that you hold, is just going away. Allowing you to relax, become centered, feel energized.

Bill 6:39
And continue with clarity, hold and compassion in your heart. Courage in yoga, and creativity. Beautiful creativity of how to move forward in your head, right. And as you breathe Now coming back into awareness and allowing yourself to open your eyes.

Kim 7:21
That was lovely. I could’ve done that for 10 minutes.

Bill 7:26
We can do it afterwards, if you’re like, welcome.

Kim 7:29
Thank you.

The Kiwi Health Detective

Bill 7:30
So Kim, this really is a pretty cool bio. And you know what I love about it most, I love hearing the extent at which you at some point decided that your recovery was going to be achieved, and you weren’t going to leave any stone unturned. And just before we get into that, can you tell me a little bit about yourself what you’ve done in the past sort of how you got to be the Kiwi health detective?

Kim 8:03
Well, it’s been a 10 year journey of, of working as a therapist, and prior to that, you know, 1015 years of, you know, learning about myself and sorting myself out. And you know, that’s an ongoing project. So for the last 10 years, I’ve I didn’t choose, I wouldn’t say I chose to do this consciously, it just came out of what happened.

Kim 8:28
And when I recognized that I was well enough to work again, which was in 2006. Previously, I’d been working in film and television production, and that have been very, very difficult in terms of finding, you know, constant work. And it’s also an incredibly stressful, you know, industry to work in.

Kim 8:49
And prior to that I’d had many different career avenues if you like, and I’d worked a lot in, in office work and as a PA, and in travel and tourism. And when I was well enough to work again in 2006, after really just about 10 years of not working. I thought well, I just can’t go back to working at an office for somebody else again, that’s I’ll probably get sick again, if I do that, because it to me, it was soul destroying.

Kim 9:18
It just wasn’t, you know, and as we know, soul heart, you know, we’ve got to fulfill our heart’s desire. And so I thought, well, what am I going to do and, and I thought, what I’ve been training and all these therapies to professional level, not because I want to be a therapist, but because I want to get myself well, but I ended up with these qualifications.

Kim 9:36
Which enabled me to work as a therapist, and so I just started working part time, never really knowing where it was gonna go, I had no idea I would end up where I am now. So it’s just been a gradual progression of, you know, starting to work with clients, working with different modalities, training in new modalities, dropping some of those modalities, not because they weren’t good, but because I just didn’t fit my again, my heart wasn’t in it for some of them.

Kim 10:01
And I just couldn’t, couldn’t do them anymore. Because I used to do a body therapy, I used to do quite a lot of body work. And then I recognize that I just didn’t feel like I was, it wasn’t it wasn’t my path to be a body worker. So I dropped them. Yeah, and it’s just been a progression of to where I am now.

Bill 10:20
Yeah. So, you know, being unable to work for extended period of time is something I can relate to. So I’ve gone almost 12 months without being able to work properly just because of my own recovery from three brain hemorrhages.

Bill 10:35
And I’ve experienced fatigue, the kind of fatigue that appears chronic in the sense of during stroke recovery, most patients will go through a real tough time with fatigue, not being able to get up and go to the toilet, and then have any energy to do anything else for the rest of the day.

Bill 10:55
So I I’ve done that kind of for half of a year, and then slowly started getting back into work after 12 months. You did that for 10 years, you were unable to work for 10 years. Can you explain a little bit about what does it feel like when you can’t work for 10 years?

Kim 11:17
I’m sitting here smiling actually, because it just seems so crazy as I look back, and and it’s almost like I’ve forgotten what that was like, you know, but what, initially what happened was, I noticed that I was getting more and more tired at work. And and I kept on thinking, well, if I get a good night’s sleep, or I will rest over the weekend or whatever, I’ll be fine, you know, my energy will bounce back.

Kim 11:42
And this went on for nine months. And it was getting worse and worse. And I didn’t know at the time. I know now that those are the signs of adrenal fatigue. So Adrenal Fatigue Syndrome, when the adrenals are just completely exhausted, but I didn’t know that.

Kim 11:58
And then one day, I walked into work, and I just thought I cannot carry on and I quit. And I hadn’t planned to do that, that day, I just quit. And so then I went home and was sitting on the couch, literally for the next three months, just just not knowing what to do just tired to I guess get up in the morning, and sit down on the couch, watch TV.

Kim 12:21
I mean, I can’t even remember now what I was doing, but obviously wasn’t doing very much and I wasn’t able to get out of the house much. And, and then I I’m the sort of person that I don’t know, I don’t, I don’t sit around and do nothing, which is that is actually part of the problem, why people end up with chronic fatigue.

Kim 12:41
But it also allows me to be a bit of a go getter, you know, rather than a giver, upper. And you know, what worries me and everything is, you know, nothing is ever going to be good again. And after three months, I suddenly made a decision, I am not going to live the rest of my life like this.

Kim 12:57
And that was a turning point psychologically. And that sent me on the path of looking at other avenues. Because you know, up until now, the doctors have just said, well, it’s me, we don’t we don’t have a solution for it, there’s no known cause you just have to rest.

Kim 13:12
And so it’s like, I think the way I got through it was keeping myself occupied with things that interested me in as much as I could do something. So and I remember after what was it, because that was 96. So it would have been like a year a few years later. It was very, very and this is very, very important.

Working with people

Kim 13:34
When I work with people as if we’ve got to have stimulation and variety and creativity and satisfaction and fulfillment and things like that, even if we’re ill we have to have those things to keep us going and keep the spirits up. And I remember I set off on I decided I would do a photography project.

Kim 13:52
And, so it’s just a matter of doing what I could do within my means of energy. And the thing with chronic fatigue is that the energy goes up and down. And one day you could be okay, and then the next day you can be exhausted. And it is a slow recovery for some people, which it was for me.

Kim 14:13
So it was just a matter of really really finding, you know, ways to keep myself inspired. And in fact, I got to a point after five years where I still hadn’t, you know, so I’d left work gone five years, really not made any major progress. And I just bought a new house just before I left work, and it was a half-built house.

Kim 14:35
So one of my projects was, you know, slowly slowly finishing the house, as in not in major, I’m not a builder, but just in terms of I had to lay the tile, you know, get the tiles laid and paint the walls and that sort of stuff. So that was my sort of creative projects, if you like, and then after five years, I still wasn’t better.

Kim 14:53
And I actually started to ask myself, Well, maybe what if I’m never going to get better because you do tend to sort of start asking that After that time, and I made this To cut a long story short, I made a decision that I was going to do my dream trip around the world, even though I was still ill.

Kim 15:08
Because what if I wasn’t going to get better, and I might not even live much longer. That was the thought that went through my head. So even though I was really not well, I sold my house, and I set off around the world. And every so often, I would literally have to stop wherever I was, because I crashed. And I’d be sort of out of action for a week or two or three or four, just, you know, hardly able to move. So that was how I lived my life. It was sort of one day at a time.

Bill 15:37
I remember my head being switched off, because when you’re recovering from a brain injury, that it can’t do much. So it was really difficult for my head to do that. The storytelling of all the possible negative, terrible, crazy mad outcomes, you know, that heads can do from time to time.

Bill 15:56
So what I found was that I did a lot of connecting to my gut. I’m curious, what was your gut telling you? At that time, I know that it probably changed a number of times that the message or, or the feedback that it was giving you, but if you could recall, what was your gut telling you at that time?

Kim 16:14
While I’ll share a new, very interesting experience I had quite near the beginning, but it was probably like about six months after I left work. And I was standing in one of the rooms in my house, and I suddenly had this, this voice, which I’d never experienced before all sense in my head, but it came seem to be in my head.

Kim 16:35
But it wasn’t like me saying it, it was just this voice that said, how would it be if you only did what you felt like doing? In other words, you just, you didn’t do what your head said you ought to be doing. You just did what you said, You’ve your heart, and you get your gut, you know, feels like doing and you’re led by that rather than constantly the head saying you should do this, and you should do that.

Kim 17:00
And, and I listened to this voice. And I said, Okay, and they said, and you do it for a year. And I was like, okay, and I literally, metaphorically, so to speak, shook hands and made this agreement. It was a very strange experience. I haven’t had an experience like that before or since.

Kim 17:21
And anyway, so then I started to try and put this into practice. And so for I remember, afterwards, I walked into the kitchen. And there was this pile of washing up dishes in the kitchen sink. And I looked at it and my head said, God, that looks really messy, you really ought to do the dishes, you know, they need doing the and my heart and my gut just went not interested.

Kim 17:45
And so I asked my heart, my God, what what do you feel like doing then? And they said, We want to sit on the sofa and read a book. Okay, so I went sat on the sofa, and I started reading my book. And after 10 minutes, all of a sudden, it was like, I feel I feel like doing the dishes now. So it wasn’t an effort.

Kim 18:05
And I practice that every day for the next year. And by the time I got to the end of the year, I significantly changed how I did life. And then that just became you know, what do they call that the unconscious? A core competency that Yeah, so that’s unconscious to unconscious competency.

Bill 18:24
So you unconsciously did what you desired first.

Kim 18:32
Or like consciously did what I felt like doing rather than what I thought I ought to do. So to me, it was like my heart and my gut were leading me or as allowing my heart and my gut to lead me rather than my head.

Bill 18:46
And then you found that it was happening. Naturally, that process was just occurring for you without you having to make an effort.

Kim 18:52
Yeah. So it started off being really conscious, and then an unconscious competency, and it became an unconscious competency. And it’s not that I still don’t have to weigh up things now, you know, but it really significantly changed something.

Following your heart

Bill 19:06
Yeah. So what it sounds like to me is that you were following your heart’s desires and following the heart’s desires means that, you know, it for my the way I sort of understand that is that everything that needs to be done also gets done, but what you feel like doing first gets done first.

Bill 19:23
And therefore you puts you in a better state of mind, you know, to do those things which needs to be done rather than who really wants to do like, you know, washing the dishes for God’s sake.

Kim 19:34
Well, what I found, which is really interesting is that through doing it in this way, I can have say a list of things I want to get done in a day. And I might think initially, okay, I’m going to do that one first, then that one second, and that one third.

Kim 19:50
And then I come to do number one on the list, but my heart and my gut, go, no, no, that’s not the order. We want to do it in a different order. So I follow that guy. I do in that order. And then I end up doing everything on the list. But it’s just a different order.

Bill 20:04
Yeah. Which is great, really, isn’t it because it means that everything still gets done, all your requirements are met, and you’re happy about doing the things that we don’t necessarily enjoy doing.

Kim 20:15
So totally it because like in the washing the dishes example, what happened there was it went from being a chore to something that I actually really enjoyed in the moment, it was not a chore. So I get now see that a lot of chores are not actually chores at all. Well,

Bill 20:31
I think that there’s a lesson in that for most of us, because there’s definitely things that we do that we feel like our chores, and we’ll do anything to avoid them, right?

Kim 20:39
Yeah. But you know, why wait, why that happens, why they feel like chores is because we’re not doing enough of the other stuff. We’re not doing enough fun stuff. We’re not looking after ourselves enough. And our body is saying, Why should I go and do another task like that, which is, you know, not particularly fun, when you’re not giving me any you know, me time.

Bill 20:57
Yeah, that’s beautiful. That’s a beautiful way to describe it, I totally get it. And I can relate to it. And most recently, I can relate to it because because before, you know, I had my own health issues. I wasn’t aware of that. And I was going about doing the things that my head told me to do constantly.

Bill 21:13
I’ll was, you know, a self diagnose headcase, there was no doubt about it. And it wasn’t just, it wasn’t getting getting me anywhere. And although most people will say that nothing really caused the blade in my brain, you know, I think it was a number of things coming together.

Bill 21:29
And it was mostly due to lack of any kind of fulfillment or enjoyment in my life. You know, there were certain things I enjoyed, but I was doing more of the things that I didn’t enjoy.

Kim 21:39
Absolutely. And I would say, you know, being a person that specializes in helping people to really get to the real root cause of any, you know, physical symptom, I would definitely say there was a cause there. Yeah, yeah, but nothing happens randomly.

Bill 21:55
Yeah. Try telling about the some of the docs I’ve come across over the years. But never mind. That’s another topic for another day. Tell me about. So you also had to deal with ongoing back pain, anxiety, clinical depression, these things that those things all come from, or stem from your initial chronic fatigue diagnosis, or where they think things that were sitting in the background, that also then, you know, popped up, when you when you were dealing with chronic fatigue?

Kim 22:31
Well, actually, the chronic fatigue came after. And the thing is, whatever, whatever symptoms a person experiences, they are all interrelated. So what I do now with clients, when I work with them, as I look at their whole life from the day they’re born, and we look at every every illness, or accident or symptom they’ve had, because it tells a story.

Kim 22:54
So to use myself as an example, when, when I was about six or seven, I started getting really bad hay fever and nosebleeds. And at the time, of course, it’s just Well, you just go to the doctor and you get the, you know, the, the hay fever pills and nothing else was was asked. And then in my late teens, well then in my late wife, about 13, I think I got appendicitis.

Kim 23:19
I’m going to show you how all these links in a minute. And then when I was, in my late teens, I started getting really bad urinary tract infections, you know, leading to go to a specialist, I still didn’t know what it was. Then I started getting hives and allergies, and, you know, that sort of thing going on. And then I was diagnosed in my late 20s, with clinical depression.

Kim 23:46
And then I also started getting really bad, lower around the same time really bad, lower back problems, so I don’t even have to turn around in the car. And I’d so called put my back out. So I spent a lot of time at osteopaths. And sometimes, you know, just like lying on the floor unable to walk until you know, the osteopath arrived with morphine and, and then that later, a few years later developed into chronic fatigue and there were other thing there was asthma in there as well at some point.

Kim 24:13
So there were all these different symptoms, but they were all interlinked and interrelated through the fact that there were certain emotional traumas. And even you could say, from what the what happened at my birth, physical traumas that happened that were not resolved.

Kim 24:31
And that so they started, you know, putting the bat the body out of balance and the body started to develop these symptoms. So it’s very, very interesting. You can see whenever you know you look at a client’s life and you look at their complete history, everything is connected.

Bill 24:49
There. One of the strangest things I heard one of my chiropractors once asked me was how many times have I fallen down in my life, and I was Seeing this guy about three years ago, and I said to him, Well, I found out heaps of times, he said, Tell me about every single time.

Kim 25:08
Hmm, interesting.

Bill 25:10
And I’ll tell you what, what a challenge it was to remember back, but there was some significant times, even down even sort of back to the age of about six, where I could tell him about some really massive significant foals that I had. And of course, I didn’t expect him to sort of do anything with that information.

Bill 25:27
But he said, well, that’s all got to do with why your back is a certain way and why you’re showing certain symptoms today. So that was the first time that somebody, a medical professional, of any type had said to me, you know, tell me about what happened to you when you’re five, or six, or whenever, I couldn’t believe that, though, asked me about the times that I’d felt.

Kim 25:49
You know, I’ve just in what I’ve observed, is that the setup for illness later in life is by the age of seven, in every single client I’ve worked with, right, the setup unconsciously happens, you can say, baby seven to 10, definitely, by that age, and then it takes a long time, because the body is so resilient, takes us a long time before actual real illness, you know, sets in for a lot of people, although they may actually have illnesses, but then they don’t really think it’s a big deal.

Kim 26:19
You know, they, as I did, you know, I had appendicitis or what do you just have your appendix out? You know, but actually, my that was my body telling me something. So every symptom has, has a meaning, and you just have to identify what that meaning is.

Bill 26:34
Yeah. I’m curious, how do how do people then who are taught by you to tap into their body’s wisdom? How do they then use that information that they’ve come up with? What what’s the point of going back and finding out, you know, that when you were 23, you fell on your knee? All those things? You know, what’s the point of it? How do they use that info?

Kim 26:56
Well, the interesting thing is, even though I do that, in our very first session, we move on very quickly from there, and we don’t really go into the past, you know, much at all, unless and this, yeah, we don’t really go into the past, apart from the initial session to get this sort of jigsaw puzzle put together. Because whatever isn’t cleared from the past, will still be in our body today.

Kim 27:21
You know, so there’s emotional energy trapped in the body from when you were six is still here today. So it’s, it’s a mix of what I teach people to do is, it’s, I can’t really answer that in two sentences, because there’s so much to it. But on one level, and teaching people, which I had to do for myself, new habits, so healthy self care, lifestyle habits, it is huge.

Kim 27:49
Because we live, we live in a society that really doesn’t value, you know, putting our health and happiness first. It’s like, you know, work is important, or money is important, or whatever. So they really have to learn to, to be authenticity is a huge thing. It’s about learning to be authentic to oneself, and what feels right for oneself.

Kim 28:11
And so it’s like clearing old limiting beliefs, perhaps that we’ve taken on clearing emotional energy from past traumas, which haven’t been resolved. And and then changing lifestyle behaviors. So for example, one of my habits, which, you know, was a contributing factor to symptoms, because everything counts was I would go into my office at seven in the morning, even though it wasn’t working back then.

Kim 28:37
But I’d still, you know, get in at that time. And, and I’d say, Okay, I’m going to check my emails for five minutes. And then I’d be this would be like, seven in the morning, at three hours later, I’d still be there. Now, my mind. So we’re going back to the three brains, my thinking brain would be going, Oh, this is interesting.

Kim 28:54
Oh, this is interest simile. I’ll just read that or just look at that. So my thinking brain was very, you know, happy. But my heart and my gut, were going, I want some food, I want some fresh air, I want to go for a walk. And I just be ignoring it with my, my thinking brain because that’s the free will factor we can override. So I had to learn and this is the biggie, we have to learn to listen to our heart and our gut and you know this and to trust it and then to act upon it.

Bill 29:21
Yeah the important part act upon it.

Kim 29:25
Action is huge, huge. And Mikkel therapy is very, very good for that’s all about, you know, it’s all about the head, the heart and the gut, although they term it differently. They just say head and body or head and emotions.

Recovering without medications

Bill 29:39
Yeah. Tell me a little bit about there’s a pretty big coal here. In your bio, we’re looking at your part of the buyer that says, you know, you show clients how it is possible to regain health without medication or supplements. Now, that’s pretty far out. That comment is not something that most people would subscribe to.

Bill 29:59
Because, of course, Most people, when they wake up in the morning and something hurts or look like looks like it’s about to hurt, or go to the gap and get and ask for something to make a better or go away, you know, the magic pill? How is it possible for you to have come through chronic fatigue, you know, back pain, anxiety, clinical depression, and do all of that without medication supplements that sounds? It sounds challenging to achieve that. Tell me a little bit about that part of your, your, your process?

Kim 30:33
Well, it’s interesting, because I feel like I’m sitting on the other side of the fence to where I was born. So when I was born, I grew up in a family in a, you know, in a culture in the UK, and where, but it could be easily in New Zealand as well, whereby if there’s something wrong with you, you don’t question why there is you don’t even think to question why you just go to the doctor to get as you say, either the pill or the cream, or perhaps surgery.

Kim 30:59
And nothing more is thought about or questioned. And now through what I’ve gone through, is I’m now sitting on the other side of the fence, where I just see a much, much bigger picture of understanding around this topic. And the key thing here is it’s about consciousness. It’s about understanding.

Kim 31:19
And it’s about learning that actually there are other options, there are other ways of looking at it, there is a different approach. And the big one is understanding that. Well, what two big ones potentially is one is understanding that physical symptoms are not usually the result of something physical, there’s, they’re, they’re usually the result of something metaphysical.

Kim 31:44
And the word meta means beyond so beyond physical, and that beyond is essentially something either, you know, either in with the mind, or I don’t like saying mental because that sounds you know, people take that word the wrong way. But in the mind, or, and or emotions, and we could even say spiritually, you know, if we’re off track on life.

Kim 32:06
So it’s about understanding that, up until now, what we believe to be true, may actually not be true. And what I find with you know, a lot of people that I that I work with is initially yes, that was their conditioning, and they went down that track, and then I didn’t find the answers.

Kim 32:25
And then through sheer desperation, something happens inside of them, which happened to me too, in that moment, where is that I decided, I’m just gonna find the answer is we go, Okay, this isn’t working, I surrender, I surrender to something different in you. And I’m gonna allow myself to break and shatter my paradigm of what I think life is about. And that opens up new possibilities.

Kim 32:49
And then the information starts coming to us. Because the interesting thing is, all this information is here. But if we’re trapped inside a bubble of our consciousness, and our conscious awareness, then we were preventing, you know, any more information coming in. And the best description of that that I’ve ever read was from McHale small, right, who is a very interesting lady.

Kim 33:15
And a lot of what she writes would be way outside people’s, you know, paradigm. But she talks about how the fact that all of reality is here right now. But we have what is called a ring path, not around our consciousness, which which means that what is inside that ring past naught, or imagine you’re like in a little bubble, is what is the amount of reality that you can handle at this point in time.

Kim 33:41
But sometimes we have what are called expansion experiences where our consciousness expands and the ring past not expands. And as it expands, more of reality can sit inside our bubble. And so for me, I had a big ring path, not expansion. Actually, it was when I was in hospital with clinical depression.

Kim 34:00
And I didn’t know that at the time, I had no idea what was happening. But all I knew was I was lying in bed, I couldn’t do anything I couldn’t read. I couldn’t watch television. I could just basically exist and it was only over a period of like a week. But some something very intense was going on inside me in my consciousness.

Kim 34:19
And what was really happening was my consciousness was being broken down. My old paradigm was being broken down to make way to build just like you have to break down a skyscraper to build a new one. Yeah, it was being dismantled. And it was very uncomfortable mentally, and, and to make space for a new skyscraper to be to be built.

Kim 34:39
But that skyscraper didn’t get built overnight. It got built over a period of years. And seven years later, I remember looking back going, Oh, my goodness, I just perceived the world completely differently. Yeah, but I didn’t make that happen. It just sort of happened.

Bill 34:54
Yeah, that’s beautiful. So you know What’s also great about this is that we don’t have to have a melt to have some type to have that experience do we? So people who are going through some tough times and are noticing and are aware of perhaps some of their patterns, not serving them right now could actually just make a effort to suspend their belief at the moment just for what they already know, and where they’re already at.

Bill 35:20
Just to spin their belief, and give themselves an opportunity to turn up to something new, a course, whatever, and just see what comes of it, gain some information, with no expectations, to do anything with it, or to make a change in their lives. But just allow themselves to discover and then see what emerges from that with no other goal in mind.

Something’s got to change

Kim 35:43
That sounds like a great way to do it. But the interesting thing is, I don’t know what you found is that, but I’ve certainly observed, and it’s certainly been true for me, is that a human being seems to be able to tolerate a huge amount of pain and stress and whatever, before they get to the point of okay, willing to change, I’ve got to change, something’s got to change.

Bill 36:03
Yeah, I’ve got to agree with you there, I assumed there was one of those kind of people However, now that I am sort of beat four years into my recovery, my when I say recovery, you know, my holistic recovery, not just the head recovering, I can sort of see myself as somebody who in the future, potentially could find some little rabbit holes that I go down and almost forget that I’m hitting down there.

Bill 36:27
And as a result, I need something to pick myself up. And and again, I think that opportunity to know that I can suspend my belief allows me to look up every once in a while from that rabbit hole. And notice I, you’ve gone down pretty far, why don’t you start heading back the other way and start heading towards the light again. So for me, I certainly wouldn’t have done that in the past.

Bill 36:53
And it was an amazing coach that made me do that in her own way. She made me suspend my belief. And believe it or not, you know what she made me do? All she said to me was, if I’m going to be your coach, you have to give up drinking soft drinks. And I just, I just could not believe that somebody would say that, to me.

Bill 37:15
I thought it was the rudest, most obnoxious thing, something somebody would say. And it took me a while. And we spent an hour together that day. And then I said to her, you know what, I’m not sure why you asked me that. I really don’t. Don’t know what that’s all about. But I’ll do it anyway, like, I’ll do it just because I want to I want to be coached by you.

Bill 37:33
And, and I’m going to go down that path. What I realized later was that, that was a technique that allowed me to stop to break a pattern that I was in for the best part of 37 years. And with that first experience of breaking a pattern, the unconscious mind started to realize, Hey, you know what, there’s other patterns that you are about to break. And they are pretty easy to break when your heart is in it when you’re motivated by your values.

Kim 38:02
That’s a really great way to put it.

Bill 38:05
Fantastic. So I got a lot. I’ve got a lot out of it. This has been so far and amazing conversation, I really, I’m getting heaps out of this as we move forward. Your special areas of interest are stress eradication, emotional mastery and self empowerment. Now, stress eradication, I remember a time when people were talking about stress as this thing that didn’t exist a word that we used to use, but stress doesn’t exist. Is it really possible to eradicate stress?

Kim 38:37
Oh, that’s a really interesting question. Essentially, I, I think, yes, I haven’t completely got there. But I’ll share why I think we can get a lot of the way there. So I had got better from chronic fatigue. And I didn’t have symptoms anymore. But one day, I noticed that I was really, really stressed.

Kim 39:01
And what it wasn’t just that day, it was that I became aware of this stress pattern that I’d had for a long, you know, my whole life actually. And I could feel inside my body that my body was feeling very ill at ease with this stress response, you know, literally the stress response being switched on.

Kim 39:21
And I knew that it wasn’t healthy, I could just feel it. And so I made another decision, right? I’m gonna do whatever it takes to reduce stress, because if I don’t I get this sense that I could maybe, you know, do some further damage. And I’m not even a word what I was, you know, it was going through my head, but for the sort of things that, you know, happened to people when they’re super stressed.

Kim 39:42
And so I made this decision, I’m going to do whatever it takes to de-stress myself and I recognize that it was an addiction. Actually, I was actually addicted to stress and I also worked out which is a big missing piece. I think for a lot of people. That that that is Unconsciously set up the stress response as being a safer place to be.

Kim 40:04
Because when I was young, it was safer to be in that fight-flight respond well, and this is what happens for every single person that I work with, they have had these traumas that get set up in childhood, and that it’s not safe to be relaxed, because we’re either on guard physically or emotionally.

Kim 40:20
And so it becomes safer to be on, you know, tend to hooks and have the, you know, read a lot alert sign-on. So that became unconscious, and other lovely unconscious competency, but not one that actually serves. And so I made this commitment that I was going to notice what created stress, you know, in my life, and I worked out that there were external stressors, which is like, you know, somebody could ring up and say, I want this piece of work done in an hour.

Kim 40:47
And you know, it’s simply impossible, for example, that puts the body into stress. And there were internal stressors, which were my habits, for example, of always running late for appointments. So that would put my body into stress, because that was me unconsciously perpetuating the stress response. And also, obviously, thoughts, you know, create stress.

Kim 41:11
So there was a whole heap of stuff that contribute, and also not looking after oneself and not having enough relaxation time, or meditation or taking the time to do you know, to do those sort of things. So I identified all these different stressors and started working through them, you know, bit by bit.

Kim 41:28
And it took me about three years, I would say till I got to a point where I felt like, you know, what, I’ve really made huge progress in this. And so that was like about 2009, by that point. And I’d already been working very, very thoroughly on learning how to clear emotional energy from my body, because the turning point for recovery from chronic fatigue for me, was when I met my teacher who, who wasn’t my teacher, but he became my teacher. And he said, to me, chronic fatigue is not a lack of energy. It’s blocked energy. Right? And that was just like, a lightbulb moment.

Bill 42:05
Thank you very much.

Kim 42:08
Five years of searching, you know, wondering why I was tired thinking I had no energy, and then discovering the truth that actually I had masses of energy, but I was blocking it. And specifically, what I was blocking was emotional energy, because emotional energy is a form of energy.

Kim 42:25
And so I’ve been working from 2000 to 2009, every day, using specific and emotional clearing techniques. So that’s quite a stretch of time, you know, to be doing that. And in that time, I really, you know, things change significantly, internally, in terms of being able to handle emotions, knowing how to, you know, what to do with them, how to clear them.

Kim 42:50
And so by 2009, I’d worked on my emotions, and I’d also worked on, you know, clearing stress. And that’s not to say, I didn’t get emotional or stress anymore, but it was very different and much less, then in 2009. And nothing is ever happens, you know, out of sequence, you know, in our life does it.

Kim 43:09
I met my new Qigong teacher, and I went to my first two week training with him, and it was a very intense training, as they usually are, actually become less intense over the years, I have to say, but he used to be a lot, sort of more strict and, you know, disciplined and whatever.

Practicing Qigong

Kim 43:26
And so we’re on this two week training, it’s every day from 630, in the morning till nine in the evening, just with meal breaks, no days off. And it was in silence. So that was quite an you know, and we’re just practicing like, six, seven hours of Qigong every day. And during that training, I went into this space, which I’d never been in before, where I everything was completely still inside my body.

Kim 43:52
So my mind was still and my energy was flowing, you know, TCE was flowing very, very smoothly. And I could feel the energy moving in my internal organs, before it became an emotion, because different emotions, you know, appear in different organs or are related to different organs.

Kim 44:12
So anger in the liver and worrying the splane and sadness in the lungs and that sort of thing. And I could feel the energy stirring pre becoming an emotion and I was able to come it back down to stillness, again, just with my mind. And he was harping on, on, on, on going on and on and on about how our natural state is to be calm, which means the mind is completely calm, and the body is completely relaxed, and that is our natural state.

Kim 44:42
But what is natural has become unnatural, and what is unnatural, has become natural. And that what we have to do again and again and again, is that as soon as our energy becomes sort of like a you know, ripples on a pond, we have to do whatever it takes to get back to this complete Clear pond, and of course practicing Qigong, you know, one is able to, that’s what one of the things that it enables one to do.

Kim 45:08
And, and I kept on, I was so confused, because I was experiencing something that I’d never thought was possible that I’d never even thought, you know, would happen, not because I’d never even thought it might happen, if that makes sense. Yeah, was that, wow, I’m in this space where I’m not experiencing any negative emotions.

Kim 45:27
I’m just experiencing actually a real joy that is starting to come out of my heart. And I’m not stressed. Yeah. And he was, you know, lecturing, you know, during that whole retreat on, you know, this is our natural state, and spontaneously, I was experiencing it. And, and I kept on saying, so do you mean that we don’t have to experience negative emotions, and he’s going yes, and I’m going, wow, I just thought I was just gonna always have these negative emotions.

Kim 45:58
And I just keep, you know, clearing them so that I came home. And that experience continued for about three months, I was in that space for about three months. And then it slowly sort of wore off, but I never went back to where I was before. So, you know, I feel that it is possible, and actually, you know, for a higher evolved human being, which is what he is for sure.

Kim 46:23
That is the space that he lives in inside that that is the state that I, as far as I understand that he experiences and these sort of, you know, enlightened teachers experience, because there’s a complete, complete transformation to another level of existence internally.

Bill 46:41
Wow. That’s a really good answer. That’s what I wanted to hear. Because what a goal, why not work towards stress eradication, emotional mastery? Why not? I mean, it’s achievable if we think it is right. And it’s achievable if we work towards courageously achieving it, and people need to know that that’s possible. It shouldn’t be An An An unachievable goal.

Kim 47:08
Well, interestingly enough, yeah, two things I can say to that is, a few years ago, I used I’m not doing so much now, because of the Qigong is taking over a bit. But for years, for 12 years, I did Kriya Yoga, which is actually a a yogic form of meditation. So it’s got the word yoga in there, but it’s not yoga as in going and doing, you know, lots of postures, it’s a true authentic yogic meditation.

Kim 47:36
And yoga actually means, you know, coming together, unity, you know, unifying. And, and anyway, the teacher came to give a lecture from India, the current head of the Kriya Yoga Institute, and he is an enlightened being. And he started off the lecture and the first words that he said, were, become your own master.

Kim 48:01
And it was like, I was hit with like a brick, you know, between the eyes of, oh my god, that’s what it’s about. And I even printed that on my cheek on, you know, and I use it a lot. When I talked with people, it was like, you know, become your master or master your ci or something like that. And I can remember, there was something else I was gonna say, from what you just said,

Bill 48:24
I was gonna just respond to that, it’s better than looking at another master for answers, to guide us, right, because if we become our own master, then we’re not reliant on anybody.

Kim 48:36
Absolutely, and that’s what it’s all about. And I just remembered the other the other bit, too, that is, at the end of our training this year, because we have an annual Qigong training, and it’s, it’s sort of very traditionally taught in a way and that you get taught something, you go away and practice it for a year, and then you can come back and go to the next level.

Kim 48:54
And in our training this year, we were being taught a very, in a very amazing technique that is, essentially is to lead one to this, you know, very high level of consciousness. And he said that once you master this, you know, once you get to this place, and you’ve mastered, you know, all these different steps, your life begins again, it’s just like, it’s a whole new ballgame.

Kim 49:26
And, you know, I worked out the minimum amount of time it would take me if I was to practice diligently every single day and everything was to go to plan, the minimum amount of time if I was to, you know, get to that point, would probably be 10 to 12 years. Yeah, but that’s what you know, really telogen practice.

Bill 49:45
Yeah. I certainly know what you mean about your life starting again, because I have that sort of level of understanding or feeling of my life having started again, that line was drawn in the sand, you know, The first time the head bled. And even though I didn’t know it at the time, I can look back now.

Bill 50:04
And I can say that and most many people wouldn’t recognize me now from the person that I was to the person that I’m becoming, and not that it was a completely dysfunctional kind of guy. But certainly I was doing things that weren’t serving me and people would never have expected me to be in the space that I’m in now, especially interviewing, you know, awesome people from all over the planet, telling me some amazing things. I get so much out of this. So really appreciate your time.

Kim 50:32
Oh, well, I appreciate your time, too. And I had a very similar experience when I came out of the hospital of feeling like a newborn baby. That’s the only way I can explain that.

Bill 50:41
Yeah, that’s amazing. I’m sure there’ll be other people out there that relate to that. And if they can, and do relate to that, please get in touch with us via the web page, which, you know, we’d love to hear from you. We’d love to hear what other people have experienced.

What mBraining brings

Bill 50:57
As we move on, Kim, this is The mBraining Show. And I was curious about what mBraining has brought to the game for you, because you’ve done some amazing things. And I’d love to hear your mBraining journey a little a little bit.

Kim 51:15
So do you just mean literally since I started learning, mBraining? Or do you mean the whole thing about learning about the three brains?

Bill 51:22
Well, I want to know what it’s brought to the game for you and your the way that you work with people and even the things that you already knew, because I know there’s a lot of similarities. There’s a lot of things from ci Gong, that, that are similar to the way that we talk about embracing and I haven’t done cheek on so I love hearing about that. But I just want to know how embracing has added another layer to the work that you do.

Kim 51:53
Well, as I said, I’d already I think before I came across em braining I’d already done, I had had this experience that I shared, you know just before about, okay, just follow your heart and your gut. So that was when I started to, you know, unconsciously tuned into the fact that I had three brains, I wasn’t calling it that at the time. And then I like make therapy, which is very much about, you know, the different brains are they turn they turn it in different ways.

Kim 52:19
And so when I came across, embracing, it was like, Oh, okay. Oh, and by the way, also, yeah, in Qi Gong, you know, they talk about the three danti ends, which, which are, which are the three brains, it’s just that they talk about them in a different way in their energy storage centers for different types of tea, and, you know, etc.

Kim 52:40
So when I came to mBraining it was like, oh, here’s another piece, here’s another way of looking at it. But in a really nice, clear cut scientific way, with very clear parameters of what each brain does, isn’t that useful? And so it’s just added on and all the information, you know, goes into a mixing bowl and just expands and becomes more comprehensive. And I love the description of the, you know, the core competencies, if that makes so much sense.

Bill 53:13
Yeah, so that’s been so letting people know that the heart is not just about pumping blood on the head is not just about, you know, the computer, the supercomputer in the gut is not just a bunch of stinky plumbing, they all have specific roles to play, right?

Kim 53:28
Well, yeah, as in, you know, that the heart is, you know, relational effect. And, you know, the gut is the, you know, the true self or the eyed self identity or whatever. Yeah, so, but I find that is, people really can understand that and relate to it. And it makes sense. And, you know, people are amazed, I’m sure, you found that when you take them through an mBraining exercise, the information that they get from inside of them, they didn’t even know was there.

Kim 53:53
And you know, they’ve had this problem that they’ve been going round around in circles in their head trying to get an answer, but the answer isn’t there. And then when they find that the information was actually inside of them, they just had to be able to access it.

Bill 54:06
Yeah. I certainly found, it’s amazing. It’s an amazing way and gentle way to help people connect with what they truly value and who they are, how that how to identify. And also to come up with creative ways to start working towards their values. And to find the courage to do that, you know, is really, very simple.

Bill 54:30
So I had a lot of experience with psychologists in the past, where, you know, I was seeking some counseling for different issues. And one of the things I kept getting stuck with was that issue of Okay, so we’ve come up with great creative ways to fix things and do things and not do things.

Bill 54:48
But it was never It was very rarely did we actually pick that it was a value that wasn’t being fulfilled and when I’d leave the, the counseling session or whatever it was I would go back a week or two later, and my awesome psychologists would say, so how did you go? And so I didn’t do anything that you said, Sure, why not? I said, I don’t know, I just didn’t do anything.

Bill 55:11
You know, it seemed like a great idea at the time, but I didn’t take any action on and I don’t know why. And I couldn’t tell why. So then when I stumbled into the firm, or the, you know, one of the second mBraining courses ever in Melbourne, in 2012, I understood why for 10 years of seeing a psychologist for different matters in different issues, I discovered that while I wasn’t taking action, most of the time was because my heart wasn’t in it.

Kim 55:36
Absolutely. And that is, you know, that is what has to change and is changing is that both, you know, you go and see a psychologist, or you go and see a doctor, they’re only really looking at things from a head perspective and trying to understand it, or from a head perspective.

Kim 55:53
And then also looking from a physical perspective, but only as an end result. And, you know, it’s like, the body is almost like disconnected from everything else, you know, physically, you know, whatever is happening, physically has nothing to do with the mind or the emotions or the spirit.

Kim 56:08
And the word that always comes back to me as one of the core words is authenticity. You know, and, and in order to be authentic and be true to ourselves, we have to have that integrity. And integrity comes from those three brains being aligned.

Bill 56:24
Yeah, that’s beautiful. That is another, that is something for everyone to pay attention to, or integrity comes from the three black brains being aligned. I know many things come from that. But it is absolutely true that integrity does come from that, I love that.

Kim 56:38
Well, I love the work because you know, in, you know, this integral in, you know, indigo one, you know, and I always see this picture in my mind of like a solid line going down through the body joining all three brains, you know, because when you’re in alignment, there’s this alignment.

Bill 56:52
That’s beautiful. Grant, I hope you’re listening, we’ve got something awesome out of this episode. Grant always listens. But some of the things that come up during our conversations, just take mBraining to the next level. And that’s why we love it. I love interviewing people on why I love getting together with the community, because this is a community that’s been co created by everyone that’s involved, because everyone works in a individual sort of area-specific to them.

Bill 57:18
And what I love about it is, you know, I know this is a bit of a stretch, but you know, doctors specialized, you’ve got a neurosurgeon, you’ve got a guy that operates on the heart, you’ve got a lovely doctor that will do gut surgeries, and they are all specialists.

Bill 57:33
And yet, wouldn’t it be great if they all got into the room every once in a while and said, Hey, you know, that thing that you did on the heart? Does that affect anything else? And you know, is that a problem that is causing the hit, etc? Wouldn’t it be great if they brought this individual skills together and co-created a new version of medicine?

Kim 57:52
So how would that given your situation? What difference would that have made for you? Because were they just focusing more on the head?

What was missing

Bill 57:59
Brilliant question. Well, what happened with me was that, so a number of different doctors between the first episode in 2012, and the last episode in November 2014. And then, in the subsequent follow ups, so what happened was, yeah, they definitely just focus on the head, they focus on the head, the head, the head, what’s caused the bleeding the head, how can we fix the bleed in the head.

Bill 58:25
And although that’s great, because we need answers to those things. When it comes to rehab, or at least I found, as an observer now, when I was going through my own rehab to learn how to walk again, almost 12 months ago, what happened was, there was some people in rehab that weren’t getting any success in regaining their ability to move their hands walk, etc.

Bill 58:48
They had some small amounts of success. But I wouldn’t say that in the amount of time that they were there, that they were achieving the kind of outcomes that the physios or the people that were helping them would want had wanted them to achieve. And I’ll tell you an awesome story.

Bill 59:05
So when I was sitting in rehab, and wondering, you know, how I’m going to get out of there, the sooner the better. I thought, as quickly as possible. I thought about my family or thought about, you know, how I could be with them for Christmas or thought about how I could, you know, not miss out on all those things that people miss out on.

Bill 59:25
I thought about how I could make my wife’s life easier because she had to go to work, come and see me then go home, cook for the kids getting ready for school the next day, you know, it was a really difficult time for us. And even though we had the support of the extended family, I needed to get out of there quick, smart and more than anything just to be at home rather than completely back to, you know, running the house and doing all those types of things.

Bill 59:51
So there was a guy that was sitting then his task was to rehab his left hand was to pick up an empty toilet roll and move it from On the left side of his body to the right side of his body. And as he was doing that he was calling his hand a bastard.

Bill 1:00:09
And he was telling his hand move you bastard. And I said to him, and I heard him do that a couple of times. And I was noticing that he wasn’t getting the outcome that he wanted. And it was really challenging. And it was frustrating for him. Because I had a good rapport with him, because we were always in this hands session together for about two weeks.

Bill 1:00:27
One of the sessions, I said to him, I think his name was Ivan, I said to him, Ivan, I’m curious if your hand was moving and doing what you wanted it to do, what would you call it? And he said, I’ll call it my friend. So all of a sudden, automatically, I know now, from an mBIT coach’s perspective, I know that he’s gone out of his head and is connected to his heart.

Bill 1:00:50
So now his heart his direction lies in his recovery. But he’s not aware of that. And that’s okay. So I said to why don’t you call it your friend from now on, and just see what happens. So we are sitting in this room now, he has not been able to go any further in the last two weeks that I was seeing with.

Bill 1:01:10
And soon as i said that sentence, he said, okay, friend, move, his friend of that hand, squeeze that toilet roll, and moved it to the side of his body that he needed to go to within 30 seconds of us having that conversation. Everyone was floored. So what I didn’t get that this person got inadvertently without me being able to really go back and explain to these physios, what I had done.

Bill 1:01:36
Was I was able to direct analyze his recovery, via making it a value of his, via the heart and the doctors in their own way. Try to get me back on my feet. However, they don’t ask me to check what values will I be fulfilling, when I get back on my feet, I just tell me that logically, you need to get up, you need to walk, you need to go back to work, you need to pay the bills, you need to do all those things.

Bill 1:02:01
And you know what, when you and I have been through the kind of experiences we’re through, you know, logic is no longer an option. We’re not interested in what’s logical. And I found myself being able to fulfill my heart’s desires. In a period of time, that was half the time expected by the doctors, the doctors had me booked into rehab for two months, I was out of it in a month.

Bill 1:02:24
And within three weeks, and within three months after being released, I was driving for hours, even though it wasn’t completely okay for hours up to lock sport to visit with grant Susa, to do some videos that we recorded, which most people after brain surgery and not being able to feel the left side and not being able to walk a few months earlier, probably wouldn’t have been able to do so.

Bill 1:02:47
I know that other people have done this as well. And if they’re out there, and if they’re listening, I’d love to know what was different for them. When they went about exceeding the expectations of their doctors. How did they prove the doctors wrong? so to speak? Hope that answers the question, Kim.

Kim 1:03:03
No, it’s a beautiful answer. And it’s a beautiful story. And it, it brings it back to when you asked me you know, how can people believe that it’s possible, you know, to heal without medication or surgery or supplements or whatever. And, and what I now know is that the body is the ultimate self healing machine. It’s It is designed to self heal. And the only reason usually it doesn’t is because we get in the way.

Kim 1:03:30
And we could get in the way with some medication, in fact, because actually, a lot of the time when we have symptoms, our body is actually already in the healing response. But it’s often not a comfortable place to be we may have a fever, we may have symptoms, but it is the body trying to recalibrate and bring itself back to harmony. But we misinterpret and don’t understand what’s going on.

Kim 1:03:55
And, you know, back to, you know, in relation to your story of what this this this guy what Ivan was it Ivan did was is in chigan we say you know there are many sort of sayings of truths, if you like true as truisms of Shen is the master of ci and Shen is the consciousness. And she is the intermediary between sharing the consciousness and the body.

Kim 1:04:19
And so where your mind goes, she goes and where she goes, blood flows. And so what you tell your mind to do, or what or how you use your mind is how you, you know, your ci and your body will operate. And our natural state is to is not to be in order, you know, you bastard, you know, anger, fear, whatever.

Kim 1:04:43
It’s to be in the love and the joy and you know, that sort of a state so our body is going to respond always when we, you know, speak nicely to it. And you know, and then not just our body but you speak nicely to your car. You speak now. To computer it will work better.

Bill 1:05:02
Yeah, we talked about in mBraining, and I’m sure you’ve come across this is that, just like in Chinese medicine, we borrow the term that the heart is the Emperor or the Empress. And the gut is the general whose job it is to mobilize the troops to use creativity at the head to come up with creative ways to fulfill the heart’s desires.

Kim 1:05:24
Absolutely.

Bill 1:05:25
Yeah. So, on that note, this is a conversation that I could just continue to have. And we have to come to an end. Tell me a little bit about where people can get in touch with you.

Kim 1:05:41
Well, Facebook, just google Kim Knight Out of health. And I’m actually in the process of having new websites. I’m not quite sure what the domain is kind of be. But I’ve several domains. So there’s artofhealth.co.nz, and the kiwihealthdetective.com. And also, but it’s not in use yet. Kim night health.com. So those would be the main places to go. And YouTube as well.

Bill 1:06:13
You have a YouTube channel and the Kim Knight?

Kim 1:06:16
I think it’s on the art of health.

Bill 1:06:19
Okay, I’m sure a Google search on Kim might will bring up all of those amazing places. To get more information about you. It’s been an amazing chat. Thank you so much for your time. I really, truly appreciate it. I wish you all the best for the end of 2015 and an amazing 2016.

Kim 1:06:38
Oh, thank you. And likewise, I think you’re amazing. I think we have a lot in common and a lot we could talk about.

Bill 1:06:44
We definitely could. And this is the beginning of a really cool conversation to continue. Next year, if you’re ever in Melbourne. I’d love to catch up with you. And likewise, when I make a trip down to or up to the beautiful place over there in New Zealand, I am going to be knocking on your door.

Kim 1:07:05
Sure. Great.

Bill 1:07:07
Thanks, Kim. All the best. And everyone. Thank you once again for listening to another episode of the mBraining show. I hope that you loved it. And if you did, please do let us know what you thought about it. Leave us some of your comments and your feedback. We’d love receiving them.

Bill 1:07:22
That’s it for now. Bye now.

Kim 1:07:25
Bye bye.

Bill 1:07:26
Hey, everyone built here again. Thank you so much for tuning in and listening to another episode of The embracing show. I really do appreciate it. If you are new to ambit and you have just recently become an mBIT coach, and you would like some additional tools to help you consolidate the learnings you receive that your four day coach certification.

Bill 1:07:50
There are some great products now available to help you better understand the ambit model and as prompt for coaching of your clients during a coaching session. These two products are the embracing flashcards which are the learning cards and the mBIT coaching cards and these are for use during the coaching session.

Bill 1:08:11
Both packs of cards include 47 individual cards, with tips and hints about what to ask or do to help engage the clients individual intelligences at the head, heart and gut levels to ensure that your clients get the most value from their coaching session. The cards are available in Australia from mbrainingaustralia.com.au and in the UK and Europe from revealsolutions.co.uk.

Bill 1:08:44
If you are looking for a speaker to talk about embracing at your next event, please visit my personal website bill gassy armas.com and fill out the contact form. And we’ll be in touch to discuss how we can talk in writing at your next event. That’s it for another episode of the IM branding show. Thank you for tuning into ambit radio I look forward to talking to you again in the future.

Intro 1:09:12
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Intro 1:09:31
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