A podcast about developer tools and the people who make them. Join us as we embark on a journey to explore modern developer tooling and interview the people who make it possible.
Interviews with interesting people in the devtools space. From security to dev focused infrastructure, and from homomorphic encryption to privacy and decentralization, we discuss the technical details around devtools.
Podcast by Malik Browne and Dan Golant
In the episode, we're joined by Matt Butcher, we discuss the potential of Web Assembly and how it can revolutionize serverless computing. He highlights the advantages of using Web Assembly for serverless applications, such as faster startup times, improved performance, and support for a wide variety of languages. Matt left his role at Microsoft on …
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Steve Klabnik - Rust, Oxide Computers
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This week we're joined by Steve Klabnik, an engineer at Oxide Computer Company. He was formally on the Rust Core team, co-author of the Rust book, and a lot of other things. We talk about how he got into Rust, why you might choose rust and how he uses Rust in his day to day. https://steveklabnik.com/ https://twitter.com/steveklabnik Join our patreo…
This week we're joined by Sunil Pai. Sunil use to work on the React team at Facebook, created the CSS and JS library glamor, built CloudFlare's CLI tool Wrangler, and many, many other things. He's now working on a project called PartyKit, which is a platform for collaborative realtime multiplayer apps. PartyKit aims to make creating multiplayer app…
This week we're joined by Tobias Koppers, the creator of Webpack, and now TurboPack. We talk about the origin of Webpack, maintaining Webpack, and what's next for JavaScript bundling. TurboPack is a new bundler from Vercel, and it's built on a completely new architecture with a familiar API. Join as as we dive deep into the future of bundling. http…
This week we're joined by Alex Arena, the founder of Interval. Interval is a batteries included approach to building rich internal tools directly in your apps backend. We talk about the inspiration for Interval, how it works, and how it's evolved over time. https://interval.com/ Building a bookmarks CMS with interval https://twitter.com/alexarena J…
Juan Campa is the creator of membrane.io, a still in development platform for simplifying API automation and internal tooling. We talk about Membrane's inspiration, persistent state, graph powers, and it's unique combination of UX and DX. Tweet that informed us of the project membrane.io https://twitter.com/juancampa membrane demo Join our patreon …
This week's guest is Rúnar Bjarnason, co-founder of Unison Computing. Unison is a programming language and developer platform for making distributed systems. It's purely functional and code is content addressed. We discuss the motivation behind Unison, how it works, and how it might change the way we write software. Rúnar Twitter Unisons Twitter Un…
The co-founder of Linear, Jori Lallo, discusses his journey as a software engineer and entrepreneur He shares his experiences working with startups, including his previous company and his current company, Linear, which is a project management software. He also talks about how Linear is different from his previous experiences, and how the company ac…
This week we're joined by Henry Zhu, the current maintainer of Babel. We talk about the his history in OOS, the challenges of maintaining an open source project, and the future of OSS. twitter Website GitHub hopeinsource podcast Join our patreon for the full episode. Tooltips Want to hear use talk about our tooltips? Join our patreon! Andrew https:…
This week we're joined by Paul Biggar, founder of Dark a new programming language that looks to simplify building app without the hassle of managing infrastructure. Dark is a new way of building serverless backends. Just code your backend, with no infra, framework or deployment nightmares. Previously Paul was the founder CircleCI, a continuous inte…
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David Khourshid - x-state, stately.ai
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This week we talk to David Khourshid, the founder of stately.ai, a company that is building a state machine visualizer and debugger. David is also the creator of x-state, a JavaScript library for state machines. We talk about the history of x-state, how it works, and how it change your code. We also talk about the future of state machines and how t…
This week we're joined by Faris Masad, a founding engineer at repl.it. We explore how repl.it is breaking down the barriers to coding by provide in browser coding environments. We also discuss the importance of building a community around your product and how creative repl.it's own users have been. Join our patreon for the full episode. Shop Merch …
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Paul Butler - Drifting in Space, JamSocket
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This week we're joined by Paul Butler, the founder of Drifting in Space. At his company they're exploring new ways to build web apps through Session Lived Application. They're building an open source tool to enabled this architecture called Spawner. On top of that they're building JamSocket, a tool that makes it easy to build these types of apps. T…
Join us this week with Thomas Paul Mann, one of the founders of Raycast, a new command palette for Mac. We talk about the history of Raycast, how it came to be, and what the future holds for the app. The app is powered by a powerful plugin system that use a custom react renderer. If you haven't checked it out yet, you should definitely give it a tr…
This week our guest is Jarred Sumner, creator of bun a new JavaScript runtime focused on speed. Bun has already had an influence on the Javscript development, and is now released to the public. Join us as we dive deep on one of the most interesting new things happening in JavaScript. https://www.patreon.com/devtoolsfm Twitter GitHub Website bun Too…
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Engineering Leadership, with Meri Williams - S03E10
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In this episode we speak to Meri Williams an experienced CTO at scaleups like Moo, Monzo, and Healx. We discuss the role of technology leadership, what engineering managers can do to help their teams, how to best go about recruiting engineers, and whether engineering performance can be measured. About Meri Williams Meri Williams is an experienced C…
This week we chat with Nick Beattie, lead engineer of RainbowKit. We talk about web3, the changing face of the internet, and the Rainbow company. Twitter Website Tooltips Andrew https://github.com/kuprel/min-dalle https://twitter.com/shuding_/status/1475916082875666441 Justin Haptic smart knob project Automatic CNC tool head changer Nick Foundry is…
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WebAssembly, with Connor Hicks (Suborbital) - S03E09
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In this episode we speak to Connor Hicks, Founder of Suborbital, a serverless platform powered by WebAssembly. We discuss how WebAssembly works, when you’d use AssemblyScript rather than other languages which compile to WASM, the use cases for deploying WebAssembly on the backend, and how the dev, test, build, deploy, and observability cycle works …
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VR, with Elena Kokkinara (Inflight VR) - S03E08
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In this episode we speak to Elena Kokkinara, CTO at Inflight VR, a VR platform developer for in-flight entertainment. We discuss how VR has developed over the last decade, how the body ownership illusion can make you feel like you have an entirely different physical body, whether developers can code in VR environments, and whether AR is in competit…
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Josh Goldberg - Learning TypeScript Book, typescript-eslint
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This week we're joined by another great contributor to the TypeScript community. Josh Goldberg is the author of O'Reilly's Learning TypeScript and a core contributor to the typescript-eslint. https://twitter.com/JoshuaKGoldberg https://www.learningtypescript.com https://github.com/typescript-eslint/typescript-eslint https://github.com/JoshuaKGoldbe…
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Containers & Tests, with Sergei Egorov (Atomic Jar) - S03E07
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In this episode we speak to Sergei Egorov, CEO of AtomicJar, the company behind TestContainers, a library that helps with integration testing for containerized applications. We discuss the challenges of developing container-based applications, how to orchestrate containers for testing, the future of cloud development environments, and whether the A…
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Data science, with Ines Montani (Explosion) - S03E06
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In this episode we speak to Ines Montani, co-founder and CEO of Explosion, a developer of Artificial Intelligence and Natural Language Processing technologies. We discuss how ML and NLP work behind the scenes, how developers should think about applied NLP, the common languages and frameworks used to build ML and NLP applications, and the challenges…
This week we go down the stack all the way to the infrastructure! We're joined by Jake Cooper, CEO of Railway, a company innovating in automatic infrastructure deployment. Just push your code and railway figures out how to create an environment! https://railway.app https://twitter.com/JustJake https://twitter.com/Railway https://justjake.substack.c…
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Security & Software Supply Chain, with Feross Aboukhadijeh (Socket) - S03E05
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In this episode we speak to Feross Aboukhadijeh, CEO of Socket.dev, a software supply chain security company. We discuss the risks of using third party dependencies, how JS and NPM could improve their approach to security, whether trust in open source is eroding, and how to improve the overall security posture of your application. About Feross Abou…
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Privacy Engineering, with Cate Huston (DuckDuckGo) - S03E04
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In this episode we speak to Cate Huston, Engineering Director at DuckDuckGo. We discuss why developers should care about privacy, what technologies and tools are available for building privacy-driven features, how DuckDuckGo manages performance when doing lookups against tracker lists, and the full stack of privacy tools, from search to the browser…
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Tyler Krupicka - Stripe TypeScript Migration
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This week we're joined by Tyler Krupicka, an engineer on Stripe's devleper productivity team. He talks to use about their experience migrating millions of lines of Flow to TypeScript. Blog post OSS conversion tool Stripe engineering blog Tooltips Andrew https://virtuoso.dev https://github.com/ecklf/tailwindcss-radix Justin https://riffle.systems/es…
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OSS & Investing, with Joseph Jacks (OSS Capital) - S03E03
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In this episode we speak to Joseph Jacks, founder and general partner at OSS Capital, a venture fund specializing in open source software. We discuss why open source is such an important differentiator for all software development, the philosophy behind open source, open core, and building a community around open source software, whether open sourc…
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eBPF, with Liz Rice (Isovalent) - S03E02
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In this episode we speak to Liz Rice, Chief Open Source Officer at Isovalent, the company behind the open source eBPF product Cilium. We discuss why it’s such a revolutionary approach to developing low-level kernel applications, how BPF can be used for observability, networking and security, how developers should think about application security, a…
This week we're joined by Daniel Stockman the former maintainer of Lerna. In this episode we talk about he became the sole maintainer of the project, how he dealt with burnout, and thet future of Lerna. https://lerna.js.org Andrew https://github.com/shuding/tilg https://github.com/ericclemmons/click-to-component Justin https://github.com/thepassle/…
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Dev infrastructure, with Guillermo Rauch (Vercel) - S03E01
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In this episode we speak to Guillermo Rauch, CEO of Vercel, a platform for globally distributed applications. We discuss the meaning of “developer experience”, how complexity is managed to help developers get started quickly but still be able to scale multiple systems, the role of monorepos and monolithic application architectures, and how to think…
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Colin McDonnell - Zod, tRPC, EdgeDB
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This week we're joined by Colin McDonnel, the head of devrel at EdgeDB a relational database with an object-oriented data model and a powerful queru language. Colin is also the creator of useful TypeScript libraries such as Zod and tRPC. https://trpc.io/ https://www.edgedb.com/ https://github.com/colinhacks/zod Tooltips Andrew RFC: useEvent reactjs…
Starting with Vercel CEO, Guillermo Rauch on 9th June 2022, in season 3 of the Console DevTools Podcast we'll be speaking to 10 interesting people currently working in devtools about a specific technical topic. Upcoming guests: Dev Infra, with Guillermo Rauch (Vercel) BPF, with Liz Rice (Isovalent) OSS & Investing, with Joseph Jacks (OSS Capital) P…
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Zack Jackson - Module Federation
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This week we dive into a fascinating new concept in web development: Module Federation. Join us with Zack Jackson, the creator of module federation, to discuss where it started, how it works, and all the cool uses cases it unlocks. https://webpack.js.org/concepts/module-federation/ Tooltips Andrew https://www.patterns.dev/ https://reactjs.org/blog/…
Join us this week with Juri Strumpflohner, the head of DX and Europe Engineering at Nrwl. Nrwl maintains NX a next generation build system with first class monorepo support and powerful integrations. Join us as we dive deep into the feature set and learn all about how the make builds lightning fast. Tooltips Andrew Vite Virtual Modules SWC Justin h…
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Steve Sewell - Builder.io, partytown, Qwik, mitosis
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This week we have an exciting episode that peers into the future of the web. Steve Sewell is the CEO of Builder.io, a company that aims to be the Photoshop of building websites. They've built some clever tools come together to render pages insanely fast. join use for this fascinating conversation. Builder.io mitosis qwik partytown Tooltips Andrew h…
Join us this week on a special episode where we're the guests! We look back on where it all started, what we've learned since, and where we're going. Descript Oxide devtools-dsAutor: Andrew Lisowski, Justin Bennett
Join us this week as we talk to our guest Brian LeRoux about functional web apps. Brian is the creator of Architect (https://arc.codes), a framework for building serverless apps on aws. He's also the founder of Begin.com, a service build on top of Architect to easily ship serverless apps. https://begin.com https://arc.codes Andrew https://lyts.chri…
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Developer experience, with Jean Yang (Akita) - S02E11
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In this episode we speak with Jean Yang, CEO of Akita Software, an API observability startup, which she founded after leaving her role in academia as a computer science professor. We discussed the software heterogeneity problem, why it isn't better to rewrite in rust and how the language wars have actually been won. We also explore how the big figh…
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Terminal tools, with Michelle Lim & Zach Lloyd (Warp) - S02E10
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In this episode we speak to Michelle Lim and Zach Lloyd, both of Warp, a terminal designed to make developer workflows more productive. We discuss the historical significance of physical terminals, terminal emulators, pseudo-terminals and the shell. We also explore why Rust is a better technology choice than Electron for building a new terminal, wh…
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Anthony Fu - Vue, Vite, Vitest, UnoCSS
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Join us this week with our guest Anthony Fu. Anthony is a voracious open source develop who maintains dozens of packages and works at Nuxt Labs. He is a core member of Vue and Vite and is the creator of Vitest and UnoCSS. https://twitter.com/antfu7 https://github.com/windicss/windicss https://vitejs.dev/ https://nuxtjs.org/ https://vitest.dev/ http…
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Designing dev products, with Ellen Chisa (Boldstart) - S02E09
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In this episode we speak to Ellen Chisa, who was previously CEO of Dark, a programming language startup that allowed you to focus on your backend code and forget about frameworks, deployments, and infrastructure. We discuss whether that is the right way to think about coding, where no code or low code fits into the modern development stack, how dev…
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Web standards & privacy, with Desigan (Dees) Chinniah (Tor / Ex-Mozilla) - S02E08
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In this episode, we speak with Desigan Chinniah, previously at Mozilla, advisor to many web startups and now on the board of Tor. We discuss the evolution of web tech from websites to complex decentralized applications running on browser APIs, the competitiveness of the browser rendering engine versus the UX layer and how developers think about pri…
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Zach Lloyd, Michelle Lim -- Warp.dev
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This episode we're joined by Zach Lloyd and Michelle Lim of Warp.dev. Warp is a modern, rust-based terminal that aims to make developers more efficient by reemerging and enhancing the terminal's UI. If you'd like to try Warp you can download it here: https://app.warp.dev/download/r/1DVTFM Andrew https://github.com/nadeesha/ts-prune https://github.c…
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Dev communities, with Rosie Sherry (Orbit) - S02E07
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In this episode we speak to Rosie Sherry, Community Lead at Orbit, a community management software company. We discuss why community is not marketing, how devrel and community are different, who owns community and what that might mean with web3 & decentralization, and what essential tools you need for managing communities. About Rosie Sherry Rosie …
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Homomorphic encryption, with Rand Hindi (Zama) - S02E06
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In this episode we speak to Rand Hindi, CEO of Zama, an open source framework for securing AI applications in the cloud. We discuss the principles behind encryption, homomorphic encryption, and programmable bootstrapping, how these technologies can ensure user data privacy, what is changing that is making them more relevant to today, and how develo…
This episode we're joined by Steve Ruiz, creator of tldraw. Steve is known for his facinating threads on Twitter about his work making open source canvas graphics libaries. In this episode we talk about tldraw, a drawing app with a open source re-usable UI. https://www.tldraw.com Tooltips Andrew https://floating-ui.com https://codesandbox.io/post/s…
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Devtools investing, with Ed Sim (Boldstart) - S02E05
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In this episode we speak to Ed Sim, Founder and General Partner of Boldstart, a venture investor specializing in DevTools and software. Ed has invested in developer-focused companies like Snyk, Slim.ai, and Jit Security. We discuss what engineers should think about when working on side projects, when and if they should seek out investors, how to pi…
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Decentralization, with Brooklyn Zelenka (Fission) - S02E04
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In this episode we speak to Brooklyn Zelenka, CTO at Fission, a decentralized app framework for the future of web apps at the edge. We discuss the relevance of blockchain to web3 and decentralized web apps, why developers should avoid managing backend servers, the challenges of doing authentication and identity with local clients, and why web brows…
This weeks guest is Yang Zhang, co-founder of Plasmic. Plasmic aims to bridge the gap between designers and developers in all sort of interesting ways. Import you code directly into their approachable drag and drag editor or even run pages built in plasmic in your app! https://www.plasmic.app Tooltips Andrew https://mantine.dev https://planetscale.…
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Observability, with Charity Majors (Honeycomb) - S02E03
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In this episode we speak to Charity Majors, CTO at Honeycomb, an observability tool for distributed systems. We discuss why observability is based around events and not metrics, how developers should think about achieving appropriately observable systems, why Honeycomb implemented their own distributed columnar data store, and how you can delete mo…