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Tech policy is at the center of the hottest debates in American law and politics. On the Tech Policy Podcast, host Corbin Barthold discusses the latest developments with some of the tech world's best journalists, lawyers, academics, and more.
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Innovation Files: Where Tech Meets Public Policy

Information Technology and Innovation Foundation (ITIF) — The Leading Think Tank for Science and Tech Policy

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Explore the intersection of technology, innovation, and public policy with the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation (ITIF), the world’s leading think tank for science and tech policy. Innovation Files serves up expert interviews, insights, and commentary on topics ranging from the broad economics of innovation to specific policy and regulatory questions about new technologies. Expect to hear some unconventional wisdom.
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Tech Policy Grind

The Internet Law & Policy Foundry

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On the Tech Policy Grind Podcast, we discuss the most pressing issues at the intersection of law and technology. We chat with friends and fellows of the Internet Law and Policy Foundry about their perspectives on emerging topics in tech law and policy. From AI to cybersecurity, internet governance, privacy, and more - join us weekly to dig into the latest in tech policy! The Tech Policy Grind was created by Fellows from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. The Foundry is a collaborative orga ...
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Congress Hears Tech Policy Debates

Congressional Internet Caucus Academy

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The Congressional Internet Caucus Academy works to educate policymakers on critical Internet policy issues. With funding and logistical support from the Internet Education Foundation, the Internet Caucus Advisory Committee hosts regular debates to discuss important Internet policy issues. Since its founding, the Internet Caucus Advisory Committee has built a membership of over 200 organizations from a broad cross-section of the public interest community and the Internet industry. The Interne ...
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In this episode of Tech Policy Grind, the conversation delves into the significant antitrust case against Google led by the US Department of Justice. The discussion covers the historical context of antitrust actions, the proposed remedies aimed at breaking Google’s monopoly, and the implications for competition in the tech industry. Joe Jerome from…
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Herbert Hovenkamp (Penn Law and Wharton) shares his thoughts on the progressive antitrust movement, the government’s antitrust campaign against Big Tech, the 2023 Merger Guidelines, the famous tech antitrust cases of the past, and more. Links: Charting Antitrust’s Future Antitrust Policy After Biden Structural Antitrust Relief Against Digital Platf…
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What is the correct economic strategy for a nation? Rob and Jackie sat down with Marc Fasteau and Ian Fletcher, authors of Industrial Policy for the United States, to discuss how industrial policy, done right, will develop the kind of economy the United States wants. Mentioned Marc Fasteau and Ian Fletcher, Industrial Policy for the United States, …
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Jonathan Adler (Case Western Law) and Ari Cohn (FIRE) discuss the FDA’s war on vaping and the Supreme Court case FDA v. Wages and White Lion Investments. Topics include: The (comparative) health case for vaping Yet another moral panic Kids take risks! The bungling FDA A disappointing oral argument Fine points of administrative law Will the Trump ad…
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Samantha Lai (Carnegie Endowment) discusses the state of federated social media (Bluesky, Threads, Mastodon, etc.). Topics include: A map of the fediverse What makes Bluesky new? Tools for tiny moderators Turning the dial of centralization “Community” or “echo chamber”? Will one platform “win” the fediverse? The beauty of exit The beauty of the unk…
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Geoff Manne (International Center for Law & Economics) and Corbin Barthold (TechFreedom) discuss the Department of Justice’s antitrust lawsuit against Apple. Topics include: The DoJ’s case: five weird tricks Apple: closed from the start Let’s talk about green bubbles … Refusal to deal or exclusionary conduct? A well-defined product market (for once…
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Daphne Keller (Stanford Cyber Policy Center) and Corbin Barthold (TechFreedom) have a wide-ranging conversation about the impact of the EU’s Digital Services Act on content moderation, the costs and benefits of platform transparency, the pervasiveness of complexity, the work of James C. Scott, Germans’ abiding thirst for data, the Burmese heroin tr…
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Marshall Kosloff (The Realignment) discusses the abundance agenda—what it is, what it could achieve, how it applies in various policy areas, how to build a political coalition around it, how to implement it, and more. Topics include: Abundance of what? Energy policy: wtf is going on Fixing defense procurement Fixing state capacity Building an abund…
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From April 12, 2022 (Episode 317): Alec Stapp discusses the work, goals, and philosophy of his innovative new think tank, Institute for Progress. Topics include: Metascience: the key field you’ve never heard of Tech industry 🤝 policy wonks Alec’s theory of change How to evangelize for progress Baby making music (j/k not j/k) The need for an abundan…
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Paul Grewal (Coinbase) takes us on a deep dive into all aspects of crypto regulation, litigation, and legislation. A crossover episode with the Washington Legal Foundation / TechFreedom Tech in the Courts series. Topics include: The elevator pitch for crypto Securities law: it’s not the New Deal anymore The inconsistent SEC SEC v. Coinbase / Coinba…
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Data-informed and evidence-based decision making can drive optimum outcomes in local governments. Rob and Jackie sat down with Rochelle Haynes, managing director of What Works Cities, to discuss how technology and innovation are being used in cities to equitably deliver services and solve problems. Related Rochelle Haynes, “How Cities Can Harness t…
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Corbin Barthold (TechFreedom) provides a guided tour of the Supreme Court’s major questions doctrine. Topics include: Major questions: an introduction No one knows what it means, but it’s provocative Is major questions new? Stories we tell about Congress Welcome to the kludgeocracy Politics vs. expertise The Supreme Court cannot save us Links: West…
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Sayash Kapoor (Princeton) discusses the incoherence of precise p(doom) predictions and the pervasiveness of AI “snake oil.” Check out his and Arvind Narayanan’s new book, AI Snake Oil: What Artificial Intelligence Can Do, What It Can’t, and How to Tell the Difference. Topics include: What’s a prediction, really? p(doom): your guess is as good as an…
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Geoff Manne (International Center for Law & Economics) and Corbin Barthold (TechFreedom) discuss the many, many flaws in the FTC’s antitrust lawsuit against Meta (Facebook). A crossover episode with the Washington Legal Foundation / TechFreedom Tech in the Courts series. Topics include: - The ontology of Facebook - Social networking: it’s not 2008 …
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Europe has been enormously unsuccessful in creating substantial digital businesses for over three decades. Rob and Jackie sat down with David Evans, chairman of Market Platform Dynamics, to discuss why it’s imperative that Europe ends this ‘digital winter’. Mentioned David S. Evans, “Why Europe Must End Its 30-Year Digital Winter to Ensure Its Long…
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TechFreedom’s Corbin Barthold, Ari Cohn, and Santana Boulton partake in a summer doldrums bitchfest about recent and upcoming Supreme Court internet speech cases. Topics include: SCOTUS ducks in Moody v. NetChoice Hey, let’s *not* reward bad-faith legislating Justice Kagan: progressive traitor (and we love it) Justice Alito is mad What’s next for o…
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Is AI a miracle? A threat? Will it free us? Enslave us? Both? Neither? What’s the future of AI and governance? AI and art? AI and elections? AI and social media? AI and the economy? AI and the world? Welcome to the Tech Policy Podcast: AI and Everything. On this special episode, we present highlights from more than a year of conversations with lead…
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It’s easy to get excited about new breakthroughs, but the real power lies in diffusing technological advances throughout the entire economy. Rob and Jackie sat down with Jeffrey Ding, Assistant Professor of Political Science at George Washington University, to discuss how technological revolutions influence competition and the implications for the …
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Noah Smith (Noahpinion Substack) discusses techno-industrial competition with China and Russia. Topics include: American industry: we’re #2 :( Allies: no longer a luxury NEPA sucks A brief lesson about nickel The death of state capacity: greatly exaggerated? Will information destroy liberalism? Clowns to the left, clowns to the right Hey, let’s *no…
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Alice Marwick (UNC-Chapel Hill) discusses her new paper, “Child Online Safety Legislation: A Primer.” If you’re wondering, the article Corbin quotes at the top of the show is Zephyr Teachout, Ending Big Tech’s Child Exploitation (Compact Magazine). Topics include: Moral panic in the technical sense The Kids Online Safety Act: not about kids, not ab…
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Berin Szóka (TechFreedom) and James Dunstan (TechFreedom) discuss the FCC’s recent orders on Title II common-carrier regulation and digital discrimination. Topics include: A hundred years of telecom law in four minutes The craziest story in the history of federal regulation FCC: Huzzah for crappy Internet (like in Europe)! SCOTUS: Congress must tac…
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Over the last several years, public opinion on technology and the use of data has shifted from excitement to skepticism to fear. Rob and Jackie sat down with Daniel Castro, Vice President of ITIF and Director of the Center for Data Innovation, to discuss the negative effect of techlash on human outcomes. Related Robert D. Atkinson and David Moschel…
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Arnold Kling discusses his recent article in Reason magazine, “Not Even Artificial Intelligence Can Make Central Planning Work.” Topics include: Why central planning is impossible The importance of prices What is AI good for? Will AI know us better than we know ourselves? What markets will AI disrupt? Social media and tribal gang-sign flashing The …
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Today on the Tech Policy Grind: Our editor, Evan, bids the show farewell for his new role in corporate privacy compliance. He chats with Pedro Pavon, a privacy attorney at Meta, about what it means to be an advocate on the corporate side, how birding can help us maintain a beginners mindset, and how Pedro launched the Data Protection Breakfast Club…
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Renée DiResta (Stanford Internet Observatory) discusses her new book, Invisible Rulers: The People Who Turn Lies into Reality. Topics include: Social media influencers: the new media elite How do ideas take root? Influencers as exploiters of asymmetries Bullshit: an investigation Could platforms have stopped Stop the Steal? Fixing the expert class …
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The future will be much improved if society fights the fear of technology. Rob and Jackie sat down with Jim Pethokoukis, Senior Fellow and DeWitt Wallace Chair at the American Enterprise Institute, to discuss how the sci-fi fantasy of the future isn’t as far off as we think. Mentioned James Pethokoukis. The Conservative Futurist: How to Create the …
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This week, we’re sharing two conversations from State of the Net that discuss the importance of responsible product design and ethical red teaming for AI. First, we chatted with Aishwarya Vardhana. As a full stack product designer, she designs innovative interfaces and experiences with safety, privacy, and other human rights considerations baked in…
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Robert Atkinson is president of the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation. He joins the show to discuss his new book, Technology Fears and Scapegoats: 40 Myths About Privacy, Jobs, AI, and Today’s Innovation Economy, co-authored with David Moschella. Topics include: Tech panic: speeding-uppers vs. slowing-downers Tech and privacy: try livi…
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Climate change is a global problem, with two polarized viewpoints making it difficult to find a solution. Rob and Jackie sat down with Robin Gaster, Director of Research at ITIF's Center for Clean Energy Innovation, to discuss how price/performance parity in green technologies can bridge the gap between left and right viewpoints on clean energy. Me…
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Richard Morrison (Competitive Enterprise Institute) joins the show, in a crossover episode with the Free the Economy podcast. Topics include: The history of podcasts The rise of micro media (find a thousand true fans!) Performative tech doomerism The idleness of romanticizing the past The quest for online community Conservatives in the Technium Lin…
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It’s the episode you’ve been waiting for: TechFreedom’s Corbin Barthold and Ari Cohn talk about pornography and free expression. Topics include: The Founding Fathers: epic porn fiends (j/k) Obscenity law, a brief history Do conservatives still want to ban James Joyce? “I know it when I see it”—Worst. Legal standard. Ever. Is there a moral case agai…
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The past few years have seen a remarkable rise in the quality and quantity of deepfakes. Rob and Jackie discussed the rise of deepfakes with Ryan Long, Vice-Chairman of the California Lawyers Association, Licensing and Technology Transactions Group, Intellectual Property Section, and explored how to harness this technology responsibly while prevent…
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Ryan Scirocco is the spacesuit business development lead at Collins Aerospace. Collins, an RTX business, is, along with its partners ILC Dover and Oceaneering, developing a new generation of spacesuits for NASA. Ryan discusses everything that goes into keeping people alive in a freezing zero-gravity vacuum far outside the biosphere. Topics include:…
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Corbin Barthold (TechFreedom) discusses, in exquisite detail, the First Amendment problems with H.R. 7521, the House bill to ban TikTok. Topics include: Your First Amendment right to read crazy shit TikTok ban bros: throwing spaghetti at the wall Foreign broadcast-ownership rules: so passé “iT’S nOT sPEech, It’S CoNDuCt” H.R. 7521: Least. Tailored.…
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The term ‘supply chain’ is relatively new, but the activities involved are not as new as we think. Rob and Jackie sat down with Yossi Sheffi, Director of the MIT Center for Transportation and Logistics, to discuss the complex history of supply chains and how technology and AI will continue to evolve supply chain processes in the future. Mentioned Y…
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This week on the Tech Policy Grind, we’re sharing two conversations from State of the Net 2024, the premier internet policy conference that took place in February in Washington, D.C, to discuss the impact of AI on cybersecurity policy and the future of work. Foundry Fellow Sasa Jovanovic and I spoke with Heather West and Charley Snyder on the impac…
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Daphne Keller (Stanford Cyber Policy Center) and Corbin Barthold (TechFreedom) discuss the Supreme Court oral argument in Murthy v. Missouri (government jawboning of social media platforms) and the NetChoice cases (state content moderation laws). Links: Six Things About Jawboning The Lies the 5th Circuit Told You About the Government ‘Pressuring So…
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Samuel Hammond (Foundation for American Innovation) discusses his essays on “AI and Leviathan.” Can government institutions cope with the coming technological disruption of AI? Topics include: - AI’s trajectory - New Deal agencies in an AI world - Public Choice Theory vs. the AI juggernaut - Uber and micro-regime changes - Government as a network o…
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Amidst the burgeoning advancements in autonomous vehicles (AVs), striking a balance between expectation and reality emerges as a challenge. Rob and Jackie sat down with Richard Mudge, president and founder of Compass Transportation and Technology, to discuss how innovations in the world of AVs can affect safety, productivity, and job creation. Ment…
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This week on the Tech Policy Grind, an expert panel unpacked the two First Amendment cases heard by the Supreme Court last week. In 2021, Florida and Texas introduced laws to prevent social media companies from banning political candidates or censoring content based on viewpoints, sparking a debate about the balance between free speech and platform…
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Byron Tau (NOTUS) discusses his new book Means of Control: How the Hidden Alliance of Tech and Government Is Creating a New American Surveillance State. Topics include: Some history: four generations of data brokers The continuing evolution of data collection and technological surveillance The great danger: data fusion / comprehensive data profiles…
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Welcome to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! In this episode, Foundry Fellow Katelyn Ringrose sat down with Jay Stanley, Senior Policy Analyst, at the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, to discuss Jay’s work on aerial surveillance law and policy, with a spotlight on the work that the ACLU is doing to…
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Brandon Gorrell (Pirate Wires) joins the show to discuss The White Pill, his optimistic (and mind-blowing) newsletter covering “the frontiers of tech, science, space, and more.” Topics include: Combatting the overwhelming negativity on social media. Lasers are amazing. Why space exploration? Did the Big Bang really happen? The Pirate Wires brand — …
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Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! To kick off Season Five, the Tech Policy Grind is bringing you to State of the Net 2024 Live! On February 12, 2024 officials from the executive and legislative branches joined internet and tech advocates in Washington, D.C. to discuss topics such as child online s…
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While quantum computing technology is maturing more slowly than other innovations, its potential is vast. Rob and Jackie sat down with Murray Thom, vice president of product management at D-Wave, to discuss quantum computing applications already being put into place, and possible advancements in the future. Mentioned Hodan Omaar. “The U.S. Approach…
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