Out of Patients with Matthew Zachary is the most notorious, unapologetic, and influential podcast in healthcare, amplifying the patient voice like no other. With millions of listeners, a legacy of shaping cancer survivorship, and a track record of driving policy change, this is more than a podcast—it's a movement. Hosted by Matthew Zachary, the longest-standing podcaster in healthcare since 2007's award-winning Stupid Cancer Show, every episode delivers a masterclass in storytelling with una ...
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The 2024 Koby & Hannah Year End Wrap Up
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It’s the annual Out of Patients tradition you didn’t know you needed—Matthew’s miracle IVF twins, Koby and Hannah, are back on the mic for their 5th appearance! These famous 14.5-year-old personalities are here to make you laugh, reflect, and maybe even sing the alphabet incorrectly (spoiler: they hate the new version). Dive into a delightful blend…
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Pixel Perfect: Jordan and Anna Rathkopf
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When life hands you a cancer diagnosis, you grab a camera. Anna and Jordan Rathkopf turned their battle with HER2-positive breast cancer into a groundbreaking photojournalistic journey. Join Matthew Zachary as he chats with the Rathkopfs about their book, HER2: The Diagnosed, The Caregiver, and Their Son, their nonprofit work, and the absurdity of …
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Crossroads4Hope: Amy Sutton’s Guide to Navigating Cancer Support
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In this full-circle conversation, Matthew Zachary sits down with Amy Sutton, Executive Director of Crossroads4Hope, to dive deep into the evolution of cancer support and the profound legacy of organizations like the Wellness Community. From reminiscing about pre-internet cancer advocacy to envisioning a future rooted in public health and equity, th…
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Pulverizing The Stigma: The Return of Robots in Jon Nelson's Head
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In this highly anticipated follow-up, we welcome back Jon Nelson, the man who went from battling relentless, treatment-resistant depression to becoming a pioneering advocate for mental health. Jon’s journey with deep brain stimulation (DBS) wasn’t just a breakthrough; it was a total game-changer. Now, with “robots in his head” pumping 23 million pu…
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In this hilariously heartfelt episode, Matthew Zachary sits down with his long-time friend and cancer warrior, Jonny Imerman, the trailblazing founder of Imerman Angels. With candor and camaraderie, they explore the raw truths of cancer survival, sharing stories about the “two bald Jews” throwing wild Young Adult Cancer Happy Hours, and the life-ch…
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Cancer Hope Network: Peer Support with Purpose
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In this episode, host Matthew Zachary dives into the history and mission of Cancer Hope Network (CHN) with Executive Director Beth Blakey and Program Officer Marielle McLeod, a young adult cancer survivor. Founded in 1981, Cancer Hope Network is a vital peer support organization that connects cancer patients and caregivers with mentors who’ve been …
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[HIATUS] The Inimitable Lisa Simms Booth
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On the show today: Lisa Simms Booth is Executive Director at The Smith Center for the Healing Arts and former Senior Director for Patient and Public Engagement at The Biden Cancer Initiative. She is such an extraordinary human being who've I've wanted her on my show for such a long time and, well, here she is. Lisa has this extraordinary way to def…
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[HIATUS] Kara Goldin: Hint! Hint! (A Show That's ACTUALLY Good for You)
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Today I talk to Kara Goldin — health product entrepreneur, breast cancer advocate, and the Founder and CEO of HINT Inc. Kara calls herself an accidental entrepreneur because she invented a product that she wanted but couldn’t find: unsweetened, fruit-infused water. Now HINT is available everywhere as a healthy and natural alternative to diet drinks…
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[HIATUS] In The Bubble with Andy Slavitt: From CMS to Accidental Podcast Hero
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For most healthcare geeks, Andy Slavitt may be best known as the Former Acting Administrator for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). For millions more, he is the podcast hero we didn't know we needed and the one we so clearly deserved as the host of Lemonada Media's award-winning podcast, "In The Bubble with Andy Slavitt." Launche…
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[HIATUS] Lithium: Not Just For Batteries
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Dr. Sudhir Gadh is a board-certified psychiatrist and Commander in the US Navy Reserve. He is also Medical Director for the Center for Recovery and Wellness, with a core focus on low-dose Lithium, as a comprehensive approach for patients to improve brain function. Joining Matthew live in-studio, they talk about our nation is failing to address the …
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[HIATUS] Ask MZ Anything with Carly Flumer
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Returning champion to Out of Patients, advocacy badass Carly Flumer flips the script on Matthew Zachary as she takes the reins for an AMA (Ask Matt Anything) reverse interview. Hilarity ensues as we take a trip down memory lane as to how the sausage was made, the very origins of Stupid Cancer and the young adult cancer movement, and how we've arriv…
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[HIATUS] Dr. Ashani Weeraratna on "Is Cancer Inevitable? "
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Today, I speak with Dr. Ashani Weeraratna. She's a leading cancer researcher at Johns Hopkins, and President Biden appointed Ashani to the National Cancer Advisory Board. She's also a researcher at the National Cancer Institute AND the author of a new book called Is Cancer Inevitable? Her book takes us inside her research lab and reveals how new in…
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[HIATUS] 1990s Cancer: AOL or Bust with Steve Friedman
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On the show today, my brother from another mother — Steve Friedman, is the Senior Advisor of Operations for SEER at the National Cancer Institute. (We'll get into all the acronyms later in the show because I know you're looking forward to that.) Steve was diagnosed back in the 1990s with testicular cancer while in his 20s. So he brings with him a p…
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[HIATUS] The Chutzpah Show with Sarah Cotenoff
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On the show today, I welcome 'First mover in Audio & Podcasts" Sarah Cotenoff, Former co-founder of Podsights — and, more importantly — my former intern at The Stupid Cancer Show. Losing your father to cancer as a teenager is never a good thing. But the forced maturity it gives you can ultimately come in handy if and when more crap you didn't expec…
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[HIATUS] Dr. Mark Lewis Is the Twitter We're Looking For
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Dr. Mark Lewis is the Director of GI Oncology at Intermountain Healthcare in Salt Lake City. He is also a young adult survivor of pancreatic cancer, a thought leader on #MEDTwitter, and one of the funniest and down-to-earth physicians you're likely to meet. Motivated by losing his father to cancer, coupled with a genetic predisposition for empathy,…
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[HIATUS] Stupid Cancer: You Know What It Is with Alison Silberman
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On the show today, I'm so thrilled to welcome live in-studio Alison Silberman, CEO at Stupid Cancer (my old job, as you may know), and Shannon Wyant, a fellow AYA cancer survivor and sitting committee member of the Stupid Cancer Board of Directors (also my old job as you may know.) The best conversations are those without an agenda that manifest fr…
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[HIATUS] Lynch Syndrome: Try To Not Get Cancer?
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Today on the show, we talk to powerhouse couple David and Robin Dubin, who founded Alive and Kickn to advocate for those with the Lynch gene. At age 29, Dave was diagnosed with colon cancer and Lynch Syndrome. Few have heard of it, but Dave and Robin are trying to change that. Because Lynch is a genetic pre-condition to cancer that affects 1 out of…
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[HIATUS] This Little Diagnostic Went To Market...
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On the show today, I'm thrilled to welcome – LIVE IN STUDIO — Liz Cormier-May, CEO of Mammogen, and Marty Keiser, CEO at IV Bioholdings. It's hard to blend funny, entertaining wit with healthcare jargon like diagnostics, market access, go-to-market strategy, etc. And yet, somehow, we did it. The process is gnarly and ridiculous, but now more than e…
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[HIATUS] Overhead: Dan Pallotta on How Great Nonprofits Actually Work
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On today's show, we welcome one of the most influential human beings of my career: Dan Pallotta, champion of charity and the entire nonprofit business sector. Dan's take on how we as a culture think about charity the wrong way planted a bedrock philosophy in my head for how I was going to grow and lead Stupid Cancer to scalable success without the …
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[HIATUS] The One With Jane Sarasohn-Kahn
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Today's show is not a "very special episode" of Different Strokes, Facts of Life, Family Ties, Webster, or Blossom, BUT it is a "very special episode" nonetheless. Jane Sarasohn-Kahn has been a friend, a teacher, a mentor, a sherpa, a conscience, and a big sister to me for over 15 years. I mean it when I say she is as close to her biological family…
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[HIATUS] Cancer Guidelines: Excuse Me While I Whip This Out
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Throughout the history of cancer advocacy, there are the advocates who made us and the organizations who made us. And one such organization is the National Comprehensive Cancer Network, which is — for all intents and purposes — the “Good Housekeeping meets Consumer Reports” of all cancer standards of care, best practices, guidelines, and credibilit…
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[HIATUS] A Brief History of Young Adult Cancer Psychotherapy
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On the show today, the legendary Julie Larson, speaker, educator, psychotherapist, and luminary, legacy young adult cancer advocate. As one of the few people who have been consistently working in the same career profession they went to school for, Julie may consider herself a midwestern gal transplant to the big city but, after more than 15 years i…
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[HIATUS] Don't Start A Charity: An Cautionary Origin Story
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Elizabeth Woolfe is a veteran nonprofit consultant and unmatched sherpa guide in the business, management, and organizational culture of charity. Full disclosure: Liz also one of my best friends in the world and saved my ass more than a few times serving as strategic counsel to Stupid Cancer during the latter half of my tenure. As of this recording…
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On the show today —> The venerable Craig Lipset, a storied luminary in the annals of clinical trial innovation — and I mean innovation with a Capital I. (None of that lower case crap happening here on my watch) Craig is the Founder of Clinical Innovation Partners and the Co-Founder of Decentralized Trials & Research Alliance (DTRA), and a proud exp…
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[HIATUS] So LGBTQ People Get Cancer Too?
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Today I talk to LGBT cancer advocate Liz Margolies. For over 30 years, Liz has worked as a psychotherapist with a specialty in cancer, trauma, and sexuality. She’s an OG LGBT rights activist, and when four of her lesbian friends died of ovarian cancer within months of each other, Liz launched the National LGBT Cancer Network. Because the LGBT commu…
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[HIATUS] It's Not a Tumor: The Multitalented Grace Wethor
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Today on the show, I welcome an extraordinary young woman —> Grace Wethor is a living unicorn of talent and intelligence. Guitarist. Pianist, Trapeze Artist, Figure Skater, Model, Author, TED Speaker — and 6-year survivor of an inoperable brain stem glioma that she was diagnosed with at 13 years old in 2015. Grace is the author of "You're So Lucky"…
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[LOST EPISODE] All You Need Is "Roon"
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Today on the show, I welcome Vikram Bhaskaran and Dr. Rohan Ramakrishna (Chief of Neurological Surgery at Weill Cornell Medicine) live in studio to talk about Roon, their intriguing new cancer navigation platform for patients and caregivers. Roon is personal to Vikram as his whole career shifted from Pinterest executive to caring for his Father whe…
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[LOST EPISODE] How To Be Sick with Jen Singer
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Today, I proudly welcome my cancer survivor comrade at arms, Jen Singer. Jen's got the trifecta of "shit happens," having survived cancer, heart failure, and "COVID Classic" back in February of 2020 when no one had any idea what the hell was going on. She is the creator of "How To Be Sick," patient-friendly ebooks called "The Just Diagnosed Guides"…
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[LOST EPISODE] Jen Palumbo Needs No Explaination
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On today's quirky show, I welcome Jen "Jay" Palumbo, an epic human Energizer Bunny who takes a licking and keeps on ticking. Jen is a freelance writer, Forbes contributor, and women's health advocate, specifically for reproductive rights. In a spirited coincidence, it turns out we both went to the same college at the same time, were both Theater pe…
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[LOST EPISODE] Healthcare Reporter Hero Jonah Comstock
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Jonah Comstock is the Editor in Chief of pharmaphorum and a veteran healthcare journalist and reporter. He's been covering this topic even before this topic was a thing to be covered. Throughout his career, he has helped to shape significant narratives about the sector, what matters today, and where he sees progress in the future. Learning from his…
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[LOST EPISODE] Unexpected Consequences of the Roe v Wade Decision
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In today's special bonus episode, Matthew welcomes fellow podcaster and leading Women's Health physician Dr. Mitzi Krockover to the hot seat. Mitzi is the Founding Medical Director of the Iris Cantor UCLA Women's Health Center, a storied entrepreneur, and a thought leader in her sector. She has created a community—nee, a movement—called Beyond The …
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[HIATUS] CAREGIVER LIFEHACKS (CLL) "To Google or Not To Google" (Episode Three)
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More than 53 million Americans act as family caregivers who often fall below the radar sacrificing everything in the name of compassion, empathy, and love. Caregiver Lifehacks amplifies the voices of those impacted by the diagnosis of a loved one. Hungry to connect and share information, these authentically candid interviews give us a peek into the…
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[HIATUS] CAREGIVER LIFEHACKS (CLL) "In Sickness and In Health" (Episode Two)
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More than 53 million Americans act as family caregivers who often fall below the radar sacrificing everything in the name of compassion, empathy, and love. Caregiver Lifehacks amplifies the voices of those impacted by the diagnosis of a loved one. Hungry to connect and share information, these authentically candid interviews give us a peek into the…
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[HIATUS] CAREGIVER LIFEHACKS (CLL) "Find Your People" (Episode One)
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More than 53 million Americans act as family caregivers who often fall below the radar sacrificing everything in the name of compassion, empathy, and love. Caregiver Lifehacks amplifies the voices of those impacted by the diagnosis of a loved one. Hungry to connect and share information, these authentically candid interviews give us a peek into the…
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[HIATUS] THE SICKLE: Fighting Medical Disparities with Sickle Cell Disease (Episode Three)
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Sickle cell disease (SCD) can affect many areas, including daily life, and some of the effects can be lifelong. More so, SCD impacts the quality of life for many patients in the form of depression, anxiety, executive function, and more. In partnership with The Sickle Cell Disease Association of America, Matthew Zachary Worldwide presents “The Sickl…
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[HIATUS] THE SICKLE: Building a Support System with Sickle Cell Disease (Episode Two)
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Sickle cell disease (SCD) can affect many areas, including daily life, and some of the effects can be lifelong. More so, SCD impacts the quality of life for many patients in the form of depression, anxiety, executive function, and more. In partnership with The Sickle Cell Disease Association of America, Matthew Zachary Worldwide presents “The Sickl…
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[HIATUS] THE SICKLE: Living with Sickle Cell Disease (Episode One)
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Sickle cell disease (SCD) can affect many areas, including daily life, and some of the effects can be lifelong. More so, SCD impacts the quality of life for many patients in the form of depression, anxiety, executive function, and more. In partnership with The Sickle Cell Disease Association of America, Matthew Zachary Worldwide presents “The Sickl…
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[HIATUS] NOT EXPECTING: Fertility and Right To Family Planning (Episode Two)
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As an epilogue to the pilot episode of Not Expecting, Matthew welcomes Ann Scalia (Director, Clinical Education for Alliance RX Walgreens Pharmacy) and Ashley McClure-Wolfson (Manager or Clinical Program Development Walgreens) for an in-person roundtable conversation and recap discussion. What is "Right to Parenthood in 2024?" What's new in the wor…
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[HIATUS] NOT EXPECTING: Fertility and Right To Family Planning (Episode One)
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that nearly one in every eight couples struggles to conceive. Even today, infertility remains a societal taboo to the extent that more than 60% of prospective mothers said they hid their infertility from family and friends, and nearly half didn't even tell their mothers. All people challenged …
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[HIATUS] TESTING OUR PATIENTS: "What The FDA?" (Episode Two)
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Testing Our Patients is a limited discussion series about how the sausage is made when bringing life-saving diagnostic tests and breakthrough medicines to cancer patients in desperate need of hope. In this episode, we welcome Dr.Rafael Fonseca (Chief Innovation Officer at Mayo Clinic in Arizona) and Dr.Ola Landgren (Chief of the Myeloma Program and…
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[HIATUS] TESTING OUR PATIENTS: "Dude, Where's My Test?" (Episode One)
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Testing Our Patients is a limited discussion series about how the sausage is made when bringing life-saving diagnostic tests and breakthrough medicines to cancer patients in desperate need of hope. In this episode, we welcome Allison Silverman, CEO of Stupid Cancer, and Lizette Figueroa, Senior Director of Education & Support at The Leukemia & Lymp…
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[HIATUS] CAREGIVER LIFEHACKS (SCLC) "A Voice for the Voiceless" (Episode Two)
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Finding your voice while navigating a cancer diagnosis is not always easy, but self-advocacy can be a game changer. Advocating for education, research, and funding can drastically change outcomes, and often, it is the voices of those who have experienced health disparities first-hand that impact institutional change. Follow the stories of Montessa …
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[HIATUS] CAREGIVER LIFEHACKS (SCLC) "There is Hope" (Episode One)
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“Get your affairs in order” was the advice from one ER doctor to Rayanne Lehman upon seeing her chest X-Ray. That was 4 years ago. When Maida Mangiameli received her Small Cell Lung Cancer diagnosis she wanted to live to know her newborn grandchild and that child is now 6 years old. And for patient Montessa Lee, her Small Cell Lung Cancer (SCLC) di…
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[HIATUS] #BCSM: "Ending Health Disparities" (Episode Three)
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In this series finale, we meet Maimah Karmo, President and CEO of the Tigerlily Foundation, and learn about her journey to end disparities for young breast cancer patients of color. If you like this series, be sure to subscribe, leave a rating a review, share on social media, and please tell your community to check it out. See Privacy Policy at htt…
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[HIATUS] #BCSM: "Community of Communities" (Episode Two)
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In this episode, we meet breast cancer advocates and users of #BCSM, Liza Bernstein, Anne Marie Mercurio, Christine Hodgdon, and Julia Maues. We find out how they got involved in #BCSM and how they utilized the hashtag to further their advocacy. If you like this series, be sure to subscribe, leave a rating, a review, share on social media, and plea…
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[HIATUS] #BCSM: "Origin Story" (Episode One)
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Breast Cancer Social Media (#BCSM) is an online community dedicated to empowering those affected by breast cancer. #BCSM began in 2011 as a conversation on Twitter and has grown into a world of support, guidance, and reliable information. In this episode, we meet breast cancer survivors and co-moderators of #BCSM, Alicia Staley and Jody Schoger. We…
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[HIATUS] DENIED: "The Future" (Episode Three)
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The fight for equitable healthcare goes to Congress. Plus, we meet the next generation of breast cancer activists. Relevant Resources: Leslie’s Week METAvivor - Political advocacy work Tigerlily Foundation - Political Advocacy Work Tigerlily Foundation - RAISE See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://…
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[HIATUS] DENIED: "Hacking Healthcare" (Episode Two)
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Because of years of being delayed, dismissed, and denied, metastatic patients have had to become the experts in their own care. With the help of doctors and researchers, these patients are now changing the healthcare system from the inside out. Relevant Resources: Tigerlily Foundation - Barriers Toolkit Storm Riders Network - Christine’s Database f…
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[HIATUS] DENIED: "The Face of Breast Cancer" (Episode One)
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For decades, only one type of patient has been represented in the breast cancer awareness movement. In this episode, we learn the consequences of this representation gap and meet patients who are flipping the script. Relevant Resources: METAvivor - Health Disparities in MBC Tigerlily Foundation - Barriers Toolkit Tigerlily Foundation - My Life Shon…
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Fight Burnout: Preventing Moral Injury and Physician Suicide
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Following the 2023 Healthcare Burnout Symposium, returning champion Dr. Gabe Charbonneau (CEO at Medicine Forward) is joined live in the studio with Dr. Todd Otten (COO at Medicine Forward) for a frank and candid conversation about the state of the state as it pertains to their grassroots movement, "Fight Burnout." Primary care is at the epicenter …
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