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×This episode of Plutopia News Network’s podcast features hosts Scoop Sweeney, Jon Lebkowsky, and Wendy Grossman discussing skepticism, trust, and current societal issues. We explore the erosion of trust in air travel following recent accidents, accessibility concerns for disabled passengers, and broader vulnerabilities in government systems and infrastructure. The conversation shifts to concerns about the concentration of power among elites, the influence of tech billionaires, and the role of social media in shaping public trust. They also touch on movements like 50501, an emerging decentralized protest effort, and the importance of fostering genuine communities amid increasing polarization. Ultimately, they question how to rebuild trust in institutions and media while emphasizing the necessity of engaged, local communities. Links Angela Saini, Superior: The Return of Race Science Angela Saini, Inferior: How Science Got Women Wrong and the New ResearchThat’s Rewriting the Story Douglas Rushkoff: Survival of the Richest 50501 Movement 50501 on Reddit Dark Wire, by Joseph Cox. Wendy’s review at net.wars: https://netwars.pelicancrossing.net/2025/01/27/review-dark-wire/ Tracers in the Dark, by Andy Greenberg. Wendy’s review at net.wars: https://netwars.pelicancrossing.net/2023/05/16/review-tracers-in-the-dark/ USWeb Plutopia interview with Amy Bruckman…
Dr. Rebecca Mercuri, a leading expert on electronic voting systems, discusses the vulnerabilities and shortcomings of modern voting technology, particularly the reliability of voter-verified paper ballots and the risks of electronic voting machines. She emphasizes that cryptography alone cannot secure elections and argues that paper ballots must remain the definitive record for vote counting. Mercuri recounts her role in election security, including her dissertation on electronic vote tabulation, her involvement in the Bush v. Gore case, and her testimony on voting system integrity. She highlights the intentional flaws in electronic voting procedures, the potential for fraud or miscounts, and the general lack of public awareness about verification processes. The conversation also explores broader concerns about cybersecurity, digital forensics, and the dangers of increasing reliance on electronic systems without sufficient backup measures. Rebecca Mercuri: There are many states where what they do is provide you with the paper ballot and you put the dots in where, or X’s or whatever they tell you to do. On your selection and then very few places count them manually. But again, the paper would be available for a manual counting, but then it’s usually scanned. But that is a voter-verified paper ballot. It’s a paper ballot that you verified by virtue of you making the selections in there. But they also say, the excuse I hear from election officials is that well, it would be very expensive for us to print out all those ballots. They said, but you’re printing them out anyway. Every person is getting a printed paper ballot. So why is it any more or less expensive? The quantity of paper is identical because whether you’re voting absentee or you’re voting in person, you’re getting a paper ballot. So why not just print it out? But again, this is part of, I refer to it as the charade. It’s the charade of voting. The idea is that we want to make everyone feel that they voted and feel that their vote was counted. And that it’s available for a recount in those places that want to be able to do that. Links Rebecca Mercuri’s Electronic Voting Website Link to Dr. Mercuri’s Dissertation Dr. David Chaum’s Cryptographic Voting Methods Bruce Schneier Cryptogram 12/15/2020 Bruce Schneier’s website UK Post Office Horizon scandal Plutopia interview with Susan McCarthy: The Crowdstrike Apology…
In this episode of the Plutopia podcast, British immunologist David Miles discusses his book How Vaccines Work and considers the science of vaccines, viruses, and the societal impact of vaccine misinformation. The conversation covers the role of vaccines in combating diseases like COVID-19, polio, and avian influenza, as well as the challenges posed by anti-vaccine narratives fueled by figures like RFK Jr. Miles highlights the importance of sourcing accurate information and the evolutionary mechanics of viruses. The episode also touches on the broader implications of vaccine hesitancy, the economic impact of diseases, and the enduring mystery of viruses like HIV and the common cold. Listeners are encouraged to approach vaccine-related decisions critically, relying on credible resources. David Miles: If somebody has reservations or questions that’s completely reasonable: yes, having a steel needle stuck in you or your child is going to make you think twice about that. But if you go looking for answers, think carefully about where you’re getting that information from. There are organizations like Voices for Vaccines, for example, that give very good information. There are also a lot of people who will give very bad information. And I’m not naming names here because we’ll be here all night. It’s make sure that you’re getting your information from one and not the other.…
On this Inauguration Day episode of the Plutopia podcast, we discuss the past, present and future of democracy. We also acknowledge the return of Felonious Trump, the 45th and 47th President of the United States. Our friend Dr. Roy Casagranda joins the podcast as we examine the incoming Trump Dream Team and its possible impact upon the nation. We discuss the potential challenges of the new Trump administration, from appointing incoherent and narcissistic officials to managing (or mismanaging?) critical issues such as NATO, tariffs, immigration, healthcare, climate change, and the economy. The conversation reflects skepticism about Trump’s leadership capabilities, critiques the global and domestic consequences of his proposed policies, and explores the broader dysfunctions of U.S. governance and consumer culture. The episode ends on a somber yet slightly hopeful note, urging action amidst an uncertain political and environmental landscape. Roy Casagranda: The problem is the narcissistic maniacs that he’s appointing to the government are the kind of backstabbing guys who don’t have a coherent plan, they don’t have a coherent policy, they don’t know anything. That’s one of Trump’s problems is that he just doesn’t understand things. I bet he doesn’t know Canada and Denmark are NATO members. I bet he doesn’t know that Greenland belongs to Denmark so that if you attacked Greenland you would effectively be going to war with NATO. I don’t even know what’s supposed to happen if a NATO member attacks a NATO member because Article 5 says if any state attacks a NATO member all the other NATO members are instantaneously or automatically at war. There’s no need for a declaration of war. So I don’t think he can neglect his government of narcissistic maniacs. I think he’s going to have to be there. And I can see them just really making a mess of things too. So it’s possible that this will be okay. We’ll have an incoherent four years where the United States basically is just sort of frozen and paralyzed, where the president is randomly threatening to attack this country and that country and the other country. It wrecks the US’s reputation globally but honestly I don’t know how much lower it can get anyway – we’re close to bottom.…
Jon and Scoop consider various political and societal issues, centering on Donald Trump’s potential second term as U.S. president, the constraints of governance, and the role of systemic friction in tempering political ambitions. The Plutopians highlight misunderstandings around Trump’s perceived ability to operate outside the established political framework, emphasizing the persistence of institutional processes. We touch on societal divides, tribalism, and the challenges of coalition-building in a polarized country. Broader themes include the evolution of technology and its impact on media, data privacy, and artistic expression, with tangents into topics like AI’s influence, music industry economics, and the importance of maintaining connections to the natural world amidst digital chaos. The episode is punctuated with humor, nostalgia, and personal anecdotes, reflecting a mix of skepticism and resilience in navigating modern challenges. Jon: It’s not like the doors just open wide for him and the light’s shown and he can just step right in and do whatever the fuck he pleases. So people need to get over that and the problem with that, the problem with feeling that way is that you kind of open up that reality a bit more than it really should be open. We should understand that the people in the USA matter and that it’s really about us. It’s not about the government, it’s not about Donald Trump, it’s about us. Scoop: Well, the whole problem with Trump is he has the same problem a lot of our generation has. His memory is fading. He forgets the problems that he created for himself in Trump 1.0. When he promised all these grand things and the reality stepped in and said, no, you can’t do that, there is a process. And it’s hard, when you deal with a government, it is really hard to escape the process.…
This time on the Plutopia podcast, we turn on our time machine and take you back to 1979. King Crimson guitarist and founder Robert Fripp was touring with his Frippertronics real-time tape looping device. He performed shows at UC Berkeley and Mabuhay Gardens, San Francisco’s premier punk venue. Following those shows, Ed Ward and Scoop Sweeney interviewed Robert Fripp and this restored from tape interview. Frippertronics, an innovative real-time tape looping technique, enabled Fripp to create layered, meditative soundscapes that defied conventional rock performance norms. The conversation explores Fripp’s unconventional approach to performance, emphasizing audience interaction and dismantling the typical performer-audience hierarchy. Fripp reflects on the economic and artistic challenges of touring, contrasting his intimate and improvisational Frippertronics shows with the larger, more commercial King Crimson tours. His insights into performance dynamics, audience influence, and the tension between art and commerce offer a unique perspective on the evolving nature of music and live performance. Thank you note from Robert Fripp to Scoop. Robert Fripp: It’s ironic that this particular way of touring, if I were doing it on a purely financial level, really funny, we’re doing so much more money than King Crimson. Touring, I reckon, touring in a three-month form. I could earn as much as I earned from King Crimson, so I’m just saying. Touring with King Crimson took years. I think I earned $3,000, which was one tour in the spring in 1972, when it was known that the band was going to break out. So the booking agency didn’t take it seriously and bought this in a small venue. And I made $3,000, maybe two, two or $3,000 from that tour. That was the only time I ever made money from it. The statistics were, one, by the time the band finished July the first night, the average cost for us playing was $5,000 a night. That’s what it would cost. The average earnings were $5,000 a night. So over six years, with the exception of this one tour, I would have earned nothing. I could earn $3,000 probably in a week, here – I have minimal expenses. Relevant Links Guitar Craft/Guitar Circle Discipline Global Mobile (DGM) Featured photo by Jim Summaria. Creative Commons license: CC BY-SA 3.0…
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In this episode of the Plutopia podcast, communication coach and author Michelle Gladieux discusses her book Communicate with Courage: Taking Risks to Overcome the Four Hidden Challenges. She highlights the importance of communication skills, vulnerability, and ethical influence, providing practical strategies for improving personal and professional relationships. Gladieux shares insights on overcoming challenges like rationalizing the negative, settling for good enough, and striving for perfection while emphasizing the value of failure as a learning tool. Drawing from decades of experience, she offers actionable exercises to help individuals communicate more effectively and courageously. The conversation also touches on leadership, conflict resolution, and the transformative potential of brave and intentional communication. As far as we know, this is a one-way ticket. And we should share what we’ve learned. We should share about ourselves. We should care about what others think. And we should stand for what we think is right. And we should try to do it without being a jerk. So I think we all need communication skills, constantly polishing verbal and written and listening skills. And I think also we all have a message to bear based on our experience. So I wanted to give people a short book. I kept it around 140 pages or so because I know we’re all busy. But I wanted to take about 25 years of coaching and teaching at the college level and consulting and see what I could do for those people who aren’t going to enroll in a communication class in a college or go to a workshop. Maybe this was a way they could raise their game.…
Cybersecurity expert Ahana Datta discusses the complexities and evolving nature of cybersecurity, touching on topics like the “security-insecurity paradox,” the challenges of defending against nation-state actors and private hackers, and the vulnerabilities of critical infrastructure, including healthcare systems and Internet of Things devices. She explores the role of AI in both offensive and defensive cyber strategies, the importance of user education, and the persistent risks associated with unsecure systems like email and voting technologies. The conversation also addresses the increasing sophistication of cyber threats, the trust deficit in technological and institutional systems, and the potential of emerging solutions like passkeys to improve security. Ahana emphasizes the need for robust, scalable defenses and collective efforts to mitigate the ever-growing risks in cyberspace. Ahana Datta: So there’s this thing called the Security-Insecurity Paradox and it’s based on the quite classic approaches to stable relations in geopolitics but it applies to cybersecurity as well which is that the more you attack systems inside the space and the more defenses you apply to prevent future attacks the cost of launching new attacks becomes more and more expensive. So if you follow this arms race scenario to its extreme, then certainly it will keep intensifying and will be within the domain of a few very well resourced actors and probably mostly nation state players. Link: “Trust, interdependence, and power in cyber statecraft” by Ahana Datta…
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In this episode of the Plutopia podcast, we explore the evolving dynamics of online interaction, contrasting the personal connections fostered by early online communities with the algorithm-driven experiences of modern social media platforms. Hosts Jon and Scoop reflect on the history and challenges of digital networking, touching on the influence of major tech companies, the manipulation of user attention for profit, and the need for genuine human connection amidst societal polarization. We discuss alternatives like Bluesky and The WELL, emphasizing the value of curated, meaningful interactions over the chaos of mainstream platforms.…
This time on the Plutopia podcast we explore an immigration crisis, not the one you might think, but one that occurred almost 50 years ago. We focus on the 1975 Operation Babylift, a controversial airlift of Vietnamese children, many labeled as orphans, during the final days of the Vietnam War. The event garnered international media attention, but questions arose about the true status of the children, with many reportedly having living parents or extended families. Critics argued the operation served political and publicity motives for the U.S. and South Vietnamese governments rather than pure humanitarian goals. The discussion also explored broader issues of international adoption, cultural dislocation, and the use of immigration policies for political leverage, drawing parallels to ongoing debates about immigration and refugee crises. This historical reflection emphasizes the complexities and potential exploitation in global humanitarian efforts. Relevant Links https://www.operationreunite.com/ https://www.adoptedvietnamese.org/…
Dr. Ann-Marie Wilson, a psychologist and senior research advisor with the Orchid Project, joined the Plutopia podcast to discuss her extensive efforts to combat female genital mutilation (FGM). Drawing on over 30 years of experience and a profound moment of epiphany during aid work in Darfur, Dr. Wilson described her journey from corporate HR to becoming a leading advocate against FGM. Her activism has contributed to making FGM illegal in countries like Sudan and Somalia, though she emphasized that legislation is only the first step in addressing this deeply ingrained cultural practice. Dr. Wilson highlighted the importance of engaging entire communities—including religious leaders, healthcare providers, and families—to create sustainable change. She shared stories of resilience, progress in Africa and Asia, and the challenges of countering entrenched beliefs, stressing the need for education, group advocacy, and global collaboration to eradicate FGM worldwide. Ann-Marie Wilson: I do believe strongly that without passing a law you’ll not really ever get anywhere. So I think that actually passing the law is a good start because at the moment in any of these countries we could talk about Sudan, we could talk about Somalia, we could talk about Nigeria but the same model is correct. And actually while we did this project, one of our research projects, into let’s have a look at the law in each country and we did that project across all the 28 countries in Africa to start with – we also then added the diaspora which is a technical term for the places from where somebody comes and carry on the practice that could be UK, could be the US, could be France, Germany, etc. And if you start to squeeze a problem from those both angles you start to see – oh, actually, we can make a difference. Links: Overcoming: My Fight Against FGM by Ann-Marie Wilson On the origins of FGM Wendy Grossman’s writeup of last year’s Disinformation Summit: https://skepticalinquirer.org/exclusive/cambridge-disinformation-summit/…
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1 Jane Hirshfield and Tiffany Lee Brown: Sanity and Gratitude 1:10:03
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Our Thanksgiving episode of the Plutopia podcast features Tiffany Lee Brown, a writer and interdisciplinary artist, and Jane Hirshfield, an award-winning poet and essayist. Tiffany is also an astrologer, Tarot reader, and the creator of the Burning Tarot podcast (see tiffanyleebrown.com ). We talk about staying sane during turbulent times, fostering genuine dialogue, and addressing fears that polarize communities. Jane reads her poem “Let Them Not Say,” reflecting on environmental and societal accountability, while Tiffany discusses embracing deep emotional journeys and finding common ground. The group explores building resilience, fostering gratitude, and creating meaningful communities amidst media-driven division. Insights on navigating fear, love, and shared human connection underscore the thoughtful discussion.…
In this episode of the Plutopia podcast, Jaye Robinson, a multifaceted professional with experience as an attorney, navy diver, and AI specialist, joins Jon and Scoop to explore the societal and ethical impacts of artificial intelligence. The conversation considers the challenges of copyright law in the age of Large Language Models, the mechanics and limitations of AI systems, and the broader implications of generative AI on labor, privacy, and propaganda. Robinson also shares his unique career journey from law to AI, offering insights into how AI tools are reshaping various industries, including healthcare and transportation. The discussion is peppered with philosophical musings, anecdotes about technology’s evolution, and humor, making for an engaging exploration of AI’s place in our increasingly interconnected world. Jaye Robinson: You collect a lot of text that is relevant to what you want this large language model to understand and these general purpose large language models basically just want a lot of things that people have written. Ideally things that people have written well and ideally things that are – yeah copyright is spun there. Ideally every original work of authorship is covered by copyright as soon as it’s committed to a tangible medium. But what those copyrights are varies from work to work and how long they last. It depends on whether you’re Disney in which case they last forever or just a person in which case they last until Disney can steal it. So copyright applies to everything people have written. Copyright is untested waters as compared to what machines have written.…
In this episode of the Plutopia News Network podcast, engineer Lee Felsenstein shares his experiences with the Homebrew Computer Club, a pioneering group of technology enthusiasts in Silicon Valley during the early days of personal computing. Felsenstein debunks the myth that the counterculture was solely responsible for the personal computer revolution, describing a diverse group of members, including engineers, doctors, and entrepreneurs. He reflects on the organic development of computing and his role in designing the Osborne 1, the first mass-produced portable computer. Felsenstein also discusses the broader social and community impact of technology, his efforts with the Community Memory project, and the role of online networks in shaping modern communication. As the podcast wraps up, he shares insights on open-source, decentralized platforms as potential alternatives to corporate-driven social media. Lee Felsenstein: This myth has developed that the hippies made the personal computer with the Homebrew Computer Club. No. There were hippies there, a few. There were some psychedelic rangers. There were more doctors, physicists, physicians who should have been engineers. There was, as I put it in the book, the usual batch of dweebs and slobs that populated Silicon Valley. There were the guys with white shoes who said, you know you can make money on this. Everybody said, okay, well, maybe show us. But it was quite a mixture of people. Lee’s just-published new book is called Me and My Big Ideas – Counterculture, Social Media, and the Future .…
In this episode of the Plutopia News Network podcast, Dr. Roy Casagranda shares his insights on the 2024 election, expressing concerns about Donald Trump’s authoritarian leanings and his potential to undermine democratic principles if re-elected. Comparing Trump’s rhetoric to that of historical authoritarian figures, Casagranda suggests Trump’s repeated claims, such as the election being “stolen,” are part of a strategic manipulation of public opinion, similar to tactics used by dictators. He discusses the troubling alignment of some Americans with Trump’s vision, attributing it to various societal and cultural factors, including xenophobia, racism, and the appeal of simplistic, nostalgic narratives. While acknowledging the influence of media and education on public consciousness, Casagranda also points to the weakened state of democratic institutions and the country’s polarized atmosphere. He warns of potential violence and civil unrest, regardless of the election outcome, underscoring the possibility of a divided America facing ongoing challenges to its democratic fabric. Roy Casagranda: Trump has said he’s going to go after his enemies as soon as he becomes president. And he’s suggested that the military could be used like the National Guard could be used. And he said that if people vote for him in this election, it will be the last election you will participate in. And he has said on day one he’s going to trash the Constitution. Like he’s telling us every single thing you need to know just like Hitler did in Mein Kampf . All you had to do was read the book to know what he was going to do because he told it. And he repeated it, by the way, over and over and over again because he believed if you repeat the big lie over and over and over again, eventually people will start to believe it just like Trump does when he talks about the election was stolen. And so the parallels between him and Hitler are definitely there. I don’t think he’s as smart as Hitler was. And by the way, just for the record, I actually don’t think Hitler was particularly smart. I think people tend to overvalue his intelligence. Almost every decision he made in World War II cost Germany the war.…
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