Welcome to 'Below C-Level,' the podcast that delves deep into the ever-evolving world of fintech and technology. Hosted by George Fierstone, Founder and CEO of Search Chain Partners, this podcast provides a gateway to the transformative power of AI, data, SaaS, and more. In each episode, we engage in thought-provoking conversations with C-Level executives in the fintech industry, exploring their journeys to the top and gaining invaluable insights into the dynamic tech landscape.
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Candid conversations about the reality of training, deploying, or competing with a canine partner. Each episode is a cross pollination from the professional and sport canine camps, exploring how we all want the same thing: A great relationship with our dog.With humor, and a big dose of theory, we talk practical training advice and includes interviews with top trainers and scientists. We keep it fun, honest, and rated PG 13ish.
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Relaxed and Stressed People & K9 Learning
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What to listen for: “Don’t rush the training. Don’t trial too early. Because you’re short-changing that important part where you’re thoughtfully adding the right stress to the picture.” What’s the difference between “good” and “bad” stress in dog handling, and how do you incorporate the former into your training while minimizing the latter? Drawing…
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Recognizing and Dealing with Displacement Behavior
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What to listen for: In this episode of K9 Detection Collaborative our hosts Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett and Crystal Wing explore the intricate world of displacement behaviors in dogs. They kick off by discussing recognizing these behaviors, which often arise from stress, frustration, or internal conflict in our canine companions. Our hosts share p…
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Below C-Level with Boris Courteaux, Chief Strategy Officer at Impak Analytics
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In this episode of Below C-Level, discover how a former corporate banker shapes the future of finance and sustainable investing. George Fierstone is joined by Boris Couteaux, the Chief Strategy Officer at Impak Analytics, to discuss Boris' journey from ING to championing sustainable investments. Learn how his team leverages data and international s…
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Working Up Your Behavior Chain to Find Where it Went Wrong
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What to listen for: "I found that the things I taught in higher arousal have held up better in higher arousal environments. The things done very slowly in lower arousal haven’t held up as well." Ever wondered why some detection dogs excel under pressure while others not so much? Join in exploring the dynamic world of canine detection training, guid…
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Developing Training Plans without In-Person Mentors
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What to listen for: Our hosts Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing offer their best tips for creating a training plan and measuring your progress without the help of an in-person mentor. Crystal sets the stage with a top ten list that includes strategies such as assessing your current skill level, setting long and short-term goals, varyin…
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Below C-Level with Johanna Forseke, Chief Business Officer & Deputy CEO at Greater Than
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In this episode of Below C-Level, George Fierstone sits down with Johanna Forseke, Chief Business Officer at Greater Than, discussing how their AI makes driving safer and reduce pollution. Greater Than's technology analyses GPS data to predict accidents and improve driving habits, and Johanna talks about how their AI can help companies and individu…
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Handling: When Do You, When Don't You
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What to listen for: Odor detection handling mastery comes down to hitting that delicate balance between doing too much and too little for your dog–the ability to offer intimate guidance while nurturing confidence. Our hosts Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing offer their best tips and strategies for using your presence as a handler to nu…
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What to listen for: Today our hosts Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing walk us through essential strategies for fostering independence and courage in dogs (and trainers!). They share their insights on avoiding the pitfalls of being an overprotective "helicopter handler" and how to allow your canine companion the freedom to explore their…
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What to listen for: “Every distraction is a possible reinforcement.” Could minor changes in your training strategy routine drastically improve your dog's performance? Join Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing as they uncover the secrets behind intentional handling, drawing from their recent experience at Distraction Camp. From hide settin…
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What to listen for: “Even if you don't give them a cookie, you don't play, the dog has been reinforced. [It’s] just the way their brain works.” Our hosts, Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing discuss how to use known hides to your advantage during training as compared to blind hides. They dive deep into the high stakes of detection work, …
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Talking Detection Dogs with Adee Schoon Pt 2
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What to listen for: “So I think dog training is almost 90% thinking and preparing, and 10% working with your dog.” Two of our three hosts, Robin Greubel and Stacy Barnett sit down for part 2 with Adee Schoon, an expert in the detection field with over three decades of experience, to explore her diverse and groundbreaking projects. What happens when…
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Talking Detection Dogs with Adee Schoon Pt 1
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What to listen for: In this episode of K9 Detection Collaborative, Our hosts Robin Greubel and Stacy Barnett sit down with Adee Schoon, an expert in the detection field with over three decades of experience, to explore her diverse and groundbreaking projects. Prepare to be fascinated by Adee’s incredible journey, from her early days researching sce…
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Troubleshooting Your Detection Chain
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What to listen for: Today, Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing address a common concern among handlers: what to do if your dog is having trouble finding the source of an odor during a training search. First thing’s first: “Your dog is just giving you information. It’s not personal. They don’t have it out for you!” Fixing this problem sta…
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Below C-Level with Jacob Koopmans, CRO at Pirum
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George Fierstone sits down with Jacob Koopmans, the Chief Revenue Officer at Pirum, to discuss the keys to thriving in the dynamic fintech landscape. Discover how adaptability shapes success through Jacob's international career spanning Europe and North America. Jacob's journey offers a blueprint for global business leaders, from navigating cultura…
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Functional Agility and All its Benefits
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What to listen for: "Physical agility gives them some mental agility too, and so it's giving them that well-exercised brain, and then that's helping them make decisions, helping them solve problems." Today, our hosts Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing break down the components and applications of functional agility. They offer a roadmap…
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What to listen for: “When you have that young dog, don’t put out that super hard hide. You don’t have that reinforcement history.” Our hosts Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing discuss one of the most crucial elements of canine nosework: hide placement! Listen in as the Dames of Detection walk us through what we need to consider regardin…
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What to listen for: “Success is the joy that we have with our dogs and the relationships that we're building.” Ever wondered how small victories can pave the way to grand achievements with your canine companion? Our hosts Robin Greubel, Crystal Wing, and Stacy Barnett, come together for an insightful discussion on the nature of success in canine de…
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Being Coached Hard to Advance Your Training
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What to listen for: “My job as a coach is not to identify your destination, but your goal, and to help you identify and remove roadblocks to your goal.” Today, our hosts Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing unearth valuable lessons from coaching humans that handlers can apply when training canine companions. They talk about what it means …
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Below C-Level with Matthew Paver - COO at Carbon Responsible
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In this episode of Below C-Level, George Firestone interviews Matthew Paver, Carbon Responsible's COO. Matt shares his journey from Deloitte consulting to climate tech entrepreneurship. The discussion focuses on fundraising challenges, prioritising product quality, and aligning hires with company values. Matt emphasises the risk-reward balance for …
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All things Area Search/Live Find SAR
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What to listen for: “We're dealing with a dog who has its own set of motivators. And so we just need to always be conscious of the fact that we can reinforce at any point along the chain.” Unleash the power of your canine's nose and transform your four-legged friend into a search-and-rescue superhero with insights from our hosts, Robin Greubel, Sta…
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What to listen for: How do you define “struggle” in dog training? Today, our hosts, the Dames of Detection, Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing are breaking down just that, sharing potent personal stories that will shift your perspective on canine learning curves. Together, they probe the gap between expectation and reality, dissecting h…
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Bomb Dog Research, Odor Purity, and Research Update with Dr. Lauryn DeGreeff, Dr. Michele Maughan and Jenna Gadberry
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What to listen for: Our hosts Robin Greubel and Stacy Barnett dive headfirst into the high-stakes world of canine explosive detection with an esteemed panel of experts, Dr. Lauryn DeGreeff, Dr. Michele Maughan, and Jenna Gadberry. As they dissect the complexities of non-detonable canine training aids, you'll get a rare behind-the-scenes look at the…
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Martha Hoffman Reflections - 5000 Hour Eyes and Kindness
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What to listen for: Our hosts reflect on the two-episode series (#102, #103) with Martha Hoffman. From the observant gaze that discerns the subtlest of animal signals to the challenges shorter dogs face in detection work, they uncover the profound connection between keen observation and effective communication with our canine companions. This episo…
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MythBusting: Obedience to Odor, +R Placement, and Using the Word Always/Never
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What to listen for: “The odor that they get reinforced for may not be the odor that you think you’re reinforcing. So, odor obedience is starting by building (in my mind) a reinforcement system.” Unlock the secrets behind the incredible resolve of detection dogs to seek out the right scent in any situation. From bounding into untamed thicket to swim…
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Martha Hoffman: Bali Dogs and 5000 Hours of Observation Pt. 2
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What to listen for: Join in as K9 Detection Collaborative hosts Robin Greubel and Crystal Wing continue their conversation with Martha Hoffman, delving into the nuanced world of dog training around the world! They discuss the unique insights gained from working with various dog breeds in bite sports. Listen in as they tackle the intricate topic of …
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Martha Hoffman: Bali Dogs and 5000 Hours of Observation Pt. 1
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What to listen for: The Dames of Detection, are joined by Martha Hoffman, who is acclaimed for her work with the San Francisco SPCA in training rescue dogs as service animals. Martha unravels the mysteries behind canine temperaments suitable for service work, focusing on the essential trait of positive sound reactivity. As Robin, Crystal, and Marth…
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Tinkering and Creativity in Training
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What to listen for: “I look at the dog and if something goes wrong I say, ‘Thank you for the information.’ As dog trainers, we modify behavior and in order to modify behavior we have to be able to take good data.” Our hosts Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing explore the intricate dance of dog training, where the art of tinkering plays a…
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100 Episodes In and Collaboration is Still the Key
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What to listen for: "I appreciate the fact that our little collaborative thing has allowed us to have some of these really, really hard conversations in a public format." Welcome to episode 100 of the K9 Detection Collaborative with the Dames of Detection themselves - Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing! It feels like just yesterday when…
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Below C-Level with David Benigson - CEO at Signal AI
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In this episode, David Benigson - CEO of Signal AI - discusses the transformative journey of building Signal AI into a key player in the FinTech industry. He delves into the role of artificial intelligence in enhancing business decision-making and the critical importance of data. David reflects on his journey as a first-time CEO, underscoring the s…
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What to listen for: "As a trainer, no matter what you're doing with your training or where you are, what level you are, how advanced you are, how new you are, whatever, it should always be about growth because if you're not growing, you're stagnating.” In this episode of K9 Detection Collaborative, we’re treated to the return of all three of the Da…
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Questions From the Crowd - Winter 2023 Pt 2
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What to listen for: “How well does the dog actually understand target odor? Part of the issue is that we think we've taught the dog to alert on a birch container. But in some cases, if you don't train with distractions enough, for instance, the dog is going to alert on what they think is just the non-empty box. So what you think you’re training may…
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Questions from the Crowd - Winter 2023 Pt 1
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What to listen for: “If you have a good reinforcement system, it really doesn't take long. And that reinforcement system is how you pay the dog for doing whatever work you're asking it to do. And you actually have to teach and learn how your dog likes to be reinforced.” Whether it be Robin’s knee surgery or Crystal’s voiceless bout with a nasty col…
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Puppies, Turtles, and Internships with Julia Sirois
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What to listen for: “Conservation dogs have been around for maybe 20, 30 years, starting to grow in popularity. But more conversations need to be happening, and dogs are so amazing, and such valuable tools.” With all the amazing stories you’ve heard about our furry companions in the first 95 episodes of K9 Detection Collaborative, you probably aren…
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Handling Peer Pressure in Training and Method Jumping
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What to listen for: “Be kind and open and giving, even when they don't know anything, that's okay, still give and still branch out. And that's where those connections happen. And it's magic. And I'm so thankful for all these connections.” Ever wondered how your training methods truly impact your loyal canine? Join our hosts Robin Greubel, Stacy Bar…
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Summits, Certifications and Travel Part 2
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What to listen for: “I think I've made a lot of personal growth. I was okay with it. I was like, ‘you know, what? Yeah, it's a bummer.’ Powder did the best she could have done and I'm human. And you know, what, 15 seconds? Well, whatever, who cares? And so then the next summit the next weekend, she won high in trial.” Our hosts Stacy Barnett, Robin…
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Conquering Summits and FEMA Recertifications Part 1
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What to listen for: “When I'm getting ready for trials, I feel like that week before I'm not building new skills. I'm building the relationship and the joy of training and I'm building confidence for both of us that we both are like ‘oh yeah, we got this we're a great team.’” Our hosts Stacy Barnett, Robin Greubel, and Crystal Wing share their late…
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Changing Your Training Contract with Your Dog
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What to listen for: “That's the hard part. That paralysis that you can get into of being afraid to train something because it can make things a lot harder. So, what I would say is, don't be afraid. Experiment a little bit. You can always modify a little, you can always rename something, you can always tweak something.” Today Robin, Stacy, and Cryst…
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Reflections on Chatting with Lee Laubach
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What to listen for: “I've had lots of people ask me questions about, should you train your dog to tell you that nothing's there. And I was like, no, you should be good enough…Lee knew there was nothing there. But this is the protocol that we use. So we have to do this. And I absolutely don't believe in training your dog to tell you that odor is not…
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"It's about living in the now and to keep going and to keep working and keep doing. And it's almost like behavior momentum. I think about in our training with our dogs, it's the same thing for us. It's not going to serve us so recognize the feeling, and then continue to train, continue to go, continue to do, and then what will happen will happen.” …
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All Things Arson Dogs and Nosework with Lee Laubach Part 2
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What to listen for: “You see two types of canine handlers on the professional side; the ones that do it as a job, and the ones doing it as a career. The ones that do it for the general love, and the ones doing it for the paycheck. And I see the ones that are doing it for the love have such a better outcome of everything as far as quality of career,…
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All Things Arson Dogs and Nosework with Lee Laubach Part 1
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What to listen for: “I have a nice-looking lab that wants to come up and be friendly with you and if all of a sudden he sits next to you and starts salivating I'm like ‘Okay, now we got to talk.’ That’s his alert, is a sit and when he smells gasoline or a light distillate he really salivates because he associates the smell of the accelerant with fo…
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Mental Management and Training: It's the little things.
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What to listen for: “Finding those little ways to help you get back on track, and the appropriate people to talk to, so that you can do mental management of expectations of yourself is really important.” Have you ever felt the weight of life’s rough roads and unexpected turns affecting your motivation to train your dogs? In this engaging episode, t…
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Reflections on Ronny LeJeune, Christi Raak, and Jill Kovacevich
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What to listen for: Step into the world of canine detection with the Dames of Detection, themselves - Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing - as they journey through the three most recent guests, Ronny LeJeune, Christi Raak, and Jill Kovacevich, and share unforgettable insights from these value-packed episodes of K9 Detection Collaborative…
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What to listen for: The time has come, once again, for Stupid Question Day! Of course, there are no stupid questions. In fact, The Dames of Detection - Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing - were very impressed with this round of questions! Key Topics (Questions): How do you guys manage to do everything you do and still train your own dog…
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All things Nosework with Jill Kovacevich
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What to listen for: “I think the story is very similar to a lot of folks who, even in our present day, are doing Nosework. We find out about this very cool sport in a very weird way, and we decide that we want to try it, have no idea what we're doing, and then it just becomes this geeky dedication that you cannot saturate yourself with enough of, a…
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What to listen for: “We can adjust. So, to be able to build that confidence in that handler, or dog, it’s both actually, and to be able to adjust if something maybe doesn’t work out. But I think all in all, there’s no magic answer. It’s based on each person individually.” Meet Christi Raak, a canine detection specialist with a fascinating journey. …
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What to listen for: “It's really important for us to understand that as we're setting up hides and things of that nature, we should really be looking at it as ‘how am I putting more tools in my dog’s toolbox so they can more efficiently and effectively solve a problem?’” Have you ever wondered how to handle the pressure of time management in the co…
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Talking Nutrition, Fitness, and Training with Ronny LeJeune
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What to listen for: Our hosts get up close and personal with Ronny LeJeune, a certified professional dog trainer, canine fitness trainer, and canine nutritionist. Ronny, owner of Perfectly Rawsome and Optimal Canine, steps us through her fascinating journey from graphics and marketing to the dog-loving world she now inhabits. Ronny demystifies the …
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What to listen for: Today, our hosts Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing examine the essential skills of canine training and handling, focusing on developing the dog's independence while maintaining handler guidance. Borrowing from the educational world, they explore the concept of 'teacher guided, student decided' and how it applies to …
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What to listen for: “As long as you’re being kind to your dog and how you’re training is very simple, straightforward and you’ve sliced things thin enough, how you get there, as long as the dog learns it effectively and efficiently, doesn’t really matter.” “It comes down to clarity and fairness.” Join the Dames of Detection, Robin Greubel, Stacy Ba…
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