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Think personal finance, but fun as hell. Get ready to ditch money shame and start building wealth without giving up your lifestyle. If you're ready to pay off debt, save, invest and no longer feel guilty for spending or enjoying your life--you're in the right place, future bajillioniare. Let's party.
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The Wade Center Podcast features interviews and discussions with scholars and figures related to Wade Center and our authors: C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien, Dorothy L. Sayers, George MacDonald, G.K. Chesterton, Owen Barfield, and Charles Williams.
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Fans of On Being and Los Culturistas love this 2024 GLAAD Media Award nominee for Outstanding Podcast. Featuring Carmen Maria Machado, Alison Bechdel, Jennifer Finney Boylan, Greg Louganis, Becky Albertalli, and so many more, guests from across the rainbow tell these authors how their books helped them overcome alienation, gender dysphoria, familial homophobia, and being outed. Essayist and Lambda Literary Fellow J.P. Der Boghossian hosts the conversations with a gentle and energetic style, ...
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Who am I going to be and what is my life going to look like? Today we meet Samantha Mann and we’re talking about the queer book that saved her life: The Hours by Michael Cunningham. Samantha writes essays & articles exploring culture, mental health, motherhood, & LGBTQ issues. Her work has been featured in The Cut, Vogue, Elle, TODAY, Romper, and m…
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In this week’s episode, Chloe opens up in a heartfelt discussion about the all-too-common struggle of avoiding our finances. Have you ever found yourself feeling guilty or stressed every time you glance at your bank account? Or maybe you dread that email from HR about your 401(k) and keep putting it off? It’s a cycle many of us know well—spending w…
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A new episode of This Queer Book Saved My Life drops next week on October 15! In our off weeks, we air the most recent episode of The Gaily Show which J.P. hosts for AM950 Radio. On today's episode, Tony Vierling is starring in White Christmas at Chanhassen Dinner Theaters which opened this weekend (October 4). Get your tickets here: https://chanha…
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We're back! Join Dr. Jim Beitler, Director of the Marion E. Wade Center, and co-host Aaron Hill as they connect with Jonathan Rodgers, author of The Wilderking Trilogy and host of the celebrated podcast, The Habit. Recently republished by our friends over at The Rabbit Room, Jim and Aaron discuss the first novel in Rodger's Wilderking trilogy, The …
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We're back! Join Dr. Jim Beitler, Director of the Marion E. Wade Center, and co-host Aaron Hill as they sit down with Dr. Kristen L. Page to discuss everything from how C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien portrayed ecosystems and environmentalism in The Chronicles of Narnia to The Lord of the Rings, to how studying ecology can help us understand our plac…
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We're back! In our first new episode of Season 7, Dr. Jim Beitler, Director of the Marion E. Wade Center, and co-host Aaron Hill sit down for a jovial and wide-ranging discussion with Dr. Matthew J. Milliner. Topics ranges from one of Charles William's most praised works, The Descent of the Dove, to Dr. Milliner's recent book The Everlasting People…
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Am I the only one who feels this crazy about what's happening to me right now? Today we meet Mia Arias Tsang and we’re talking about the book that saved her life: Women by Chloé Caldwell. And Chloé joins us for the conversation! Mia is a writer, freelance editor, and former biologist based in Queens, NYC. She has conducted extensive research in evo…
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Need a bit of a pep talk? We got you. Join Chloe as she shares her top 7 self-beliefs that supercharge her confidence! Whether you’re stepping into a new job, launching a business, or aiming for that next financial milestone, we all need a little boost sometimes. Throughout her discussion of these 7 beliefs, Chloe also explores the valuable lessons…
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Take This Quiz Before You Listen: https://www.deeperthanmoney.com/30-under-30-quiz#R313763-71133b76 In this week’s episode, Chloe dives into a moment of personal reflection as she celebrates her birthday and looks ahead to the goals she’s setting for her 29th year. She challenges conventional milestones, urging listeners to rethink what success loo…
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Is it possible that my family, my mother, could ever accept me? Today we meet Eric Marcus and we’re talking about the book that saved his life: Consenting Adult by Laura Z. Hobson. Eric Marcus is the author of a dozen books, including two editions of Making Gay History (the original 1992 edition is entitled Making History), Why Suicide?, and Breaki…
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A new episode of This Queer Book Saved My Life drops next week on September 17! In our off weeks, we air the most recent episode of The Gaily Show which J.P. hosts for AM950 Radio. Today, the director of the new documentary Lover of Men: The Untold History of Abraham Lincoln is here. Also joining me are two historical experts from the film. It debu…
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Exile is not a choice that anyone wants to make. It’s something we come to through necessity. Today we meet seeley quest and we’re talking about the book that saved hir life: Exile and Pride by Eli Clare. And Eli joins us for the conversation! Seeley Quest (sie/hir) is a trans disabled environmentalist, working in literary and body-based compositio…
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In this week's episode Chloe is doing a little introduction and refresher, talking about what Deeper Than Money is all about. Whether you're an OG listener, or new to Deeper Than Money Chloe is diving into what her ultimate goal is for Deeper Than Money and what we stand to create/teach. Buy Chloe's Book Deeper Than Money here: https://www.deeperth…
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In this week's episode Chloe walks through the six questions she ask herself to decrease self sabotaging behavior and how this can apply to more than just money or finances. We can self-sabotage in many different ways and in different areas of our lives so Chloe is not only talking about the six questions and steps she takes to decrease this but al…
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This book isn’t about celebrity. It’s about queer heritage. And passing it on. Today we meet Brent Love and we’re talking about the book that saved his life: Broken Horses by Brandi Carlile. Brent Love is the author of the memoir Leap which debuted in June 2024. He is also the host/producer of the podcasts Hope Works: A Surrogacy and You and Me and…
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No queer person is an island. Even if we start off that way. Today we meet Robin Jeffrey and we’re talking about the book that saved her life: Stars In My Pocket Like Grains of Sand by Samuel R. Delaney. Robin Jeffrey is the author of the series of classic murder mysteries with scifi-twists, The Cadence Turing Mysteries and the paranormal romance s…
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Today, Once Upon a Crime Books presents 7 Minutes in Book Heaven, the podcast where we interview LGBTQ authors about the new books they have coming out for us to love and cuddle up with. Visit them online: onceuponacrimebooks.com Once Upon a Crime Books is an independent bookstore specializing in mystery fiction. Located in Uptown Minneapolis, you …
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You love your parents because they’re your parents. But would you if they weren’t? This and other queer stories from the Middle East to Canada. Today we meet Mike Z. and we’re talking about the book that saved his life: The Clothesline Swing by Danny Ramadan. And Danny joins us for the conversation! Mike Z. lives in Lebanon and works in art therapy…
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A new episode of This Queer Book Saved My Life drops next week on July 23rd! In our off weeks, we air the most recent episode of The Gaily Show which J.P. hosts for AM950 Radio. Today, Jennie Garner and Andrew Frisbie join us from North Liberty Library to talk about book bans, how to support public libraries, and libraries as spaces for belonging a…
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When the adults in your life are this reckless and dangerous, what do you do? Today we meet Rex Ogle and we’re talking about the book that saved his life: Running with Scissors by Augusten Burroughs. Rex Ogle is an award-winning author and the writer of nearly a hundred children’s books, comics, graphic novels, and memoirs—most notably Free Lunch, …
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To celebrate the start of the Wade Center's new Director, Dr. Jim Beitler (Professor of English) we decided to re-release an archival episode recorded and released back in July 2019. 'Rhetoric’ is often a byword for hollow or negative speech. In truth, rhetoric is the art of persuasion. This week, Dr. Jim Beitler discusses his new book, Seasoned Sp…
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After reading about the characters in this book, I made it my mission to have their kind of life for myself. Today we meet David Ciminello and we’re talking about the book that saved his life: More Tales of the City by Armistead Maupin. David Ciminello is a Lambda Literary Fellow and author of The Queen of Steeplechase Park. As an actor, David gues…
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In this week's podcast episode Chloe is giving a little life update as well as talking about her newest property. While it's exciting to talk about buying property, it can also lead to the question of "Should I be buying property?" So today Chloe is sharing her thoughts on if real estate is actually the best way to build wealth and what are the pro…
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This book made me think about how my relationship to myself is lifelong. Today, we meet Saraid de Silva and we’re talking about the book that saved her life: Paul Takes The Form of a Mortal Girl by Andrea Lawlor. And Andrea joins us for the conversation! Saraid de Silva is the author of Amma and is a screen writer on the TV series Shortland Street.…
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A deep dive into LGBTQ book bans with two of the nation's leading researchers. Today, we are joined by Sabrina Baêta and Tasslyn Magnusson. They are leading researchers in the United States on LGBTQ book bans in our schools. They led efforts to research and write the new 2024 PEN America report Banned in the USA: Narrating the Crisis. Here is part …
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In today's episode Chloe talks about "quick sand spending" and how we can subconsciously be self sabotaging our goals through this process of "leaving money in our checking account." She talks about what we can do in place to not restrict our spending, but rather have a clear plan on what to do with all that "extra" cash. Check out Hot Girl Finance…
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Our dear friends and co-hosts of the podcast, Drs. Crystal & David C. Downing, are retiring as co-directors of the Wade Center in June. Professor of English, Dr. Jim Beitler will serve as the Wade Center's new director starting in July. To bid the Downings a fond farewell and pass the baton to our new director, we decided to share some of our favor…
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When I read his work, I feel like he is a close friend that I lost. That’s how much he resonates with me. Today we meet Kim Hines and we’re talking about the book that saved her life: The Fire Next Time by James Baldwin. Kim Hines is a playwright, actor, director, and author. Her plays have been produced across the United States, including tours at…
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Today, Once Upon a Crime Books presents 7 Minutes in Book Heaven, the podcast where we interview LGBTQ authors about the new books they have coming out for us to love and cuddle up with. Once Upon a Crime Books is an independent bookstore specializing in mystery fiction. Located in Uptown Minneapolis, you can shop in their store Monday through Satu…
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In this weeks episode Chloe talks about the popular money myth of "spending is bad." Chloe breaks down changing the narrative and mindset to a spending in or out of alignment approach and why we feel like our spending habits bring guilt or shame when we do spend. She also dives into talking about how our spending habits are different for everyone a…
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In this weeks episode Chloe talks about identifying where you are currently at and how to practice the mindset of getting where you want to be and how we can often self sabotage that. She breaks down the eight steps when it comes to identifying where we are at, what we want, and how to get there while still growing as a person. Chloe also talking a…
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Seriously though. When you're life is hyphenated, how do you put it altogether to live the life you want? Today we meet Natalie Cruz and we’re talking about the book that saved her life: We Are All Armenian edited by Aram Mrjoian and featuring eighteen essayists. Natalie lives in Philly, is the managing editor of the Queer Armenian Library, teaches…
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If you could go back in time and give yourself advice or insight, what would you tell past you? This week Chloe shares one thing she would have shared with herself when she was in the thick of paying off debt… which would be to “pay off debt slower!” In this episode she shares 4 things she would have changed during her debt payoff journey, WHY she …
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This week we are dropping a special bonus episode featuring a reply of one of our most popular episodes where Chloe shared about her decision to level up her own life and get out of her comfort zone when she decided to buy her house last spring. In this rewind episode, she shares her reflection of that decision one year later, and the growth and ha…
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They say what matters most is love. But for a lot of us...that’s not what matters most. Today we meet Jake Mier and we’re talking about the book that saved their life: Loveless by Alice Oseman. Jake lives in the Twin Cities and works in restorative justice. Loveless is the funny, honest, messy, completely relatable story of Georgia, who doesn't und…
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In this episode Chloe talks about her next financial milestone that she is working towards (spoiler alert: it is total financial freedom/early retirement bby!) Chloe talks about why she is working towards this goal, how she is making money moves to get there, and shares strategies on how you can work towards your own amazing financial goals right n…
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Through his writings, C.S. Lewis emphasized the importance of travel and learning for through these two activities we gain the needed perspective to see life through the lens of "many places" and "many times." In this week's episode, Drs. Crystal and David C. Downing sit down with author's Dr. Alan Snyder and Jamin Metcalf to discuss their recently…
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That moment when you meet kindred queer spirits in podcasting. Today we have a special cross-pollination episode with the Queer Spirit podcast. The Queer Spirit podcast has conversations with embodied artists, practitioners and activists who care for, enliven and empower our 2SLGBTQ+ communities to thrive + flourish. Their hosts are Nick Venegoni, …
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In this weeks episode Chloe talks about investing in yourself and why we self-sabotage. She gets into all the detail of how investing in yourself can initially be scary and out of your comfort zone, but also how you can stop self-sabotaging your own dreams and create a better outcome for yourself and your finances. Learn more about and apply for Th…
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All the love in our queer families. Today we meet Archie Arnold and we’re talking about the book that saved his life: Love Lives Here: A Story of Thriving in a Transgender Family by Rowan Jetté Knox. Archie is a grant writer working at a community college in Minnesota. His career in grants and fundraising spans twenty years. Rowan Jetté Knox is an …
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In this weeks episode Chloe talks about the difference between spending and impulse spending. She talks about the steps she takes when she has the urge to impulse spend as well as how to decide if a purchase is in alignment. Learn more about and apply for The Wealth Accelerator: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdBp_6SAOK1Tk4BBKdozLsK2-ySvV…
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This week Chloe talks about what it means to be an investor. She talks about some key steps when it comes to learning about investing as well as important mind shift changes around the question "are you an investor?" Learn more about and apply for The Wealth Accelerator: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdBp_6SAOK1Tk4BBKdozLsK2-ySvVLDZzSune…
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As gay kids we have to get through so much that we end up not remembering a lot of our childhoods. Today we meet K Jason Bryan and we’re talking about the book that saved his life: Becoming A Man: Half A Life Story by Paul Monette. Jason is a Sr Client Consultant for corporate insurance, and used to chair his company’s LGBT & Allies ERG. He is a fo…
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In this episode Chloe talks about the money myth of saving money, and why she saves $0 a month as a millionaire. She talks about the difference between spending money, wealth building money, and wealth protecting money and what these types of money look like. Grab the FREE High Yield Savings Account Training: https://www.deeperthanmoney.com/HYS-Tra…
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In the first half of the 20th century, England elites like T.S. Eliot were trying to devalue John Milton and elevate John Donne—exchanging one 17th-century English poet for another. At the height of World War II, C.S. Lewis took up arms against these oppressors and defended Milton in a series of lectures that would later be published as A Preface t…
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This week Chloe tackles the topic of how to split expenses with friends. She goes over the Do’s and Do Not’s of how to approach these conversations with your besties and the deeper than money beliefs, fears, and hesitations we face when it comes to splitting expenses with friends. Splitwise is a free option to help split bills on trips: https://www…
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No one ever told me that I could be divine. That my sexuality was a gift. Today we meet Sandy Hope and we’re talking about the book that saved her life: Swinging on the Garden Gate by Elizabeth Jarrett Andrew. And Elizabeth joins us for the conversation! Sandy is a licensed mental health counselor whose practice focuses Internal Family Systems theo…
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Everyone calls me ma'am on the phone. I love it. Today we meet Jacob Budenz and we’re talking about the book that saved their life: Dress Your Family In Corduroy and Denim by David Sedaris. Jacob is a true multi-hyphenate: musician, author, performance artist, director, and witch. Jacob published their new book Tea Leaves in 2023 and is the front p…
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While he never visited America, C.S. Lewis and his works have greatly impacted the American religious landscape. While many general readers associate Lewis primarily with The Chronicles of Narnia (1950), before his appearance on the cover of Time in 1947 Americans viewed C.S. Lewis quite differently. In this week's episode Drs. Crystal and David C.…
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When a closeted queer kid meets his fairy godfather what does he wish for? Today we meet Ricardo Galaviz and we’re talking about the book that saved his life: Am I Blue? by Bruce Coville. And Bruce joins us for the conversation! Ricardo (all pronouns) is the Associate Director of the Milwaukee LGBT Center. Bruce (he/him) is the author of over 100 b…
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