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My name is Sarah Trott. I'm a new mama to a vivacious baby girl and this podcast is all about postpartum care for the few months following birth, the time period also known as the Fourth Trimester. My postpartum doula, Esther Gallagher, is my co-host. She’s a mother, grandmother, perinatal educator, birth and postpartum care provider. I've benefitted hugely from her support. All parents can benefit from the wisdom and support that a postpartum Doula provides. Fourth trimester care is about t ...
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Tales From The Fourth Trimester

Naomi Chrisoulakis

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A podcast dedicated to the beauty and brutality of new parenthood - because giving birth is the beginning, but postpartum is forever. Created by postpartum doula Naomi Chrisoulakis, each week she chats to women about their postpartum experiences and asks experts to share their wisdom.
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This is my podcast of all things motherhood. I talk about the parts of mother hood that are not easy to talk about, but need to be talked about. I talk about the things in motherhood that society doesn’t like to talk about. Expecting mothers are not informed enough about what we like to call the fourth trimester. After baby is born. Post partum. I’ll be covering all of the important things in motherhood that I would have greatly benefited from hearing about when I was an expecting mother. I ...
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I don't know about you, but one of my top goals as a parent of a newborn was getting more sleep. A night doula is a great addition to any postpartum dream team because they will help with achieving exactly that - more sleep. More sleep for you, your other family members in your household, your baby. It's perfectly normal for newborns to be awake mu…
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Wondering how to make the most of your parental leave? In this episode, we talk with Mamattorney lawyer Daphne Delvaux about your rights, how to maximize your maternity, paternity, and parental leave benefits, and what every new parent should know. Daphne spells out how you can stitch together different types of leaves and benefits to make sure you…
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Discover the benefits of babywearing in this episode with Whitney Dula, IBCLC, postpartum doula, and trained babywearing expert. Whitney shares tips on choosing and using baby carriers, safety essentials, and how babywearing supports bonding and development. Full show notes fourthtrimesterpodcast.com Connect with Whitney Dula themamasdula.com | Ins…
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Learn the benefits of a sitz bath DONE PROPERLY for postpartum healing, with step-by-step guidance on how to prepare one using natural, soothing ingredients. This DIY Sitz Bath Guide will teach you how to care for yourself or provide this care for others. Plus, this episode will equip you with additional tools to make a real difference in a new par…
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Discover the wisdom of sacred postpartum traditions with Pānquetzani, a traditional healer and advocate for holistic maternal care. In this episode, we explore time-honored practices that support healing, thriving, and deep connection during the fourth trimester. Learn how to honor your postpartum journey with simple, yet powerful practices that su…
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This episode featuring Dr Amanda P Williams is dedicated to how data can be a tool for informed decision-making, creating positive outcomes for both parents and their children. With 35% of U.S. counties classified as Maternity Care Deserts—lacking essential maternal care resources—data and technology are critical in bridging gaps in access and info…
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In this episode, Jesse Bennett, an author and advocate for positive thinking among children, guides us on helping kids boost their success by developing a positive mindset through kindness, self-talk, and mindfulness practices. She emphasizes that kindness begins within oneself. By teaching children to love and believe in themselves and encouraging…
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In this episode, hosted by Didi D'Errico as a special edition, we focus on ACTIONABLE ways you can build more reliable, more accessible and more timely support as a new parent. We know there are enough barriers to support for new parents as it is, as highlighted by March of Dimes in their recent report on Maternity Care Deserts - THANK YOU for prov…
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In this episode, Sarah Trott talks with pediatric sleep consultant Dr. Angelique Millette to answer the top 10 TODDLER sleep questions every parent has. (Go to the BABY episode if you want help with baby sleep! Link below.) Dr. Millette shares her expertise on the challenges of toddler sleep, providing practical solutions for common issues like bed…
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In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Ida Eden, a reproductive psychiatrist and faculty member at Weill Cornell Medicine, to explore how you can optimize your emotional and psychological well-being during pregnancy, postpartum, and beyond. Whether you're dealing with anxiety, depression, or simply navigating the transition into parenthood, Dr. Eden …
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On this episode of the Fourth Trimester Podcast, we're bringing you the ultimate travel guide for parents. Our special guests, Mother Up creators Kacie McDonnell Hosmer, former host of FOX Nation and Mansion Global, and Gianna DeMedio Simon, host of the podcast So Sorry for Your Loss, share their tried-and-true tips for traveling with little ones. …
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Rather amazingly, there hasn't been much research into the causes and potential cures for the nausea that around 70% of people experience during pregnancy. Until now. Thankfully, Dr Marlena Fejzo is dedicating her life's work to finding ways to alleviate the full spectrum of mild cases of "morning sickness" to severe nausea to, on the extreme end, …
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In this episode of Fourth Trimester Podcast, we are joined by an experienced financial advisor, Laura Davis CFP. This episode centers on how families can create a budget that sets the family up for financial success, including: what a budget is, how to create one, considerations before having a baby, what to budget for during pregnancy, postpartum …
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Dr Rebecca Dekker of Evidence Based Birth provides clear, plain-language guidance on postpartum recovery, including the very immediate period after birth from delivering the placenta and then through the extended fourth trimester. Learn what the evidence points to so that you can make informed decisions and enhance your recovery period. Full show n…
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In this episode of the Fourth Trimester Podcast, we asked a panel of breastfeeding educators and practitioners to help us put together a 2-part guide on breastfeeding. Importantly, this is a NO JUDGMENT guide. Just the facts and plain language explanations that help you on your journey. Part 2 covers a wide range of topics including: managing milk …
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In this episode of the Fourth Trimester Podcast, we asked a panel of breastfeeding educators and practitioners to help us put together a 2-part guide on breastfeeding. Importantly, this is a NO JUDGMENT guide. Just the facts and plain language explanations that help you on your journey. The content of the guide includes answers to the top breastfee…
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In this episode we are joined by an experienced financial advisor, Laura Davis CFP. Laura shares her expertise in transforming financial lives and provides actionable steps that parents and soon-to-be parents can take to secure a strong financial future for their families. Learn the three financial must-dos for families that can help set your famil…
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In this episode, Madeline and I chat about how intellectualising, people-pleasing and perfectionism showed up for her in postpartum, parenting and her career - and how it's now shaped how she helps other women. Madeline McKenzie is a mental health social worker and business owner at Sit with Self. Her specialty is working with high-achieving millen…
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Having six children means Shari Stamps knows a fair bit about preparing for postpartum. Since having kids, she's dedicated her life to growing her experience as a perinatal professional, taking many courses including doula training. Now she's sharing her wisdom from her own parenting experience plus her professional training with us. Hear Shari's t…
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Ali Starling joins us to talk about the significant and often under-discussed topic of perinatal mood and anxiety disorders (PMAD). Ali Starling is an experienced midwife and academic from the University of California San Francisco. We talk about her passions: midwifery, mental health, and the intersection between the two. Our discussion thoroughly…
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This episode features Kiran Saluja, the Executive Director of the PHFE WIC (Women Infants Children) Program. She is a respected authority in the field of nutrition and breastfeeding. With a career spanning nearly 40 years, Kiran brings an exceptional depth of knowledge and passion to our discussion. We talk about common breastfeeding challenges and…
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You all know I'm all about support over stuff, but that doesn't mean that there isn't stuff out there that's incredibly useful! In this episode, I talk to Em Stone, founder of Babybee, about her two postpartums and what she discovered was useful (and what absolutely was not). Enjoy the episode! This episode is brought to you by Babybee, Australian-…
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Here to answer the questions you always wanted to ask is Esther Gallagher, long-time birth and postpartum doula. Top questions on this episode include: Are Doulas Worth It? How Much Do they Cost and how do I get the service paid for? Can doulas bill my insurance / is it covered? What about workplace incentives like Carrot and Hello Cleo? Do doulas …
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Leading pediatric sleep consultant Dr Angelique Millette answers the Top 10 Baby Sleep Questions every parent asks. We discuss real solutions that are safe and developmentally appropriate for your baby. We talk about solutions that really work and give you and your family the rest you need. We all know how important sleep is for our mental and phys…
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This is part two of my epic chat with Amy Carmody, a yoga teacher, personal trainer, strength coach and pre- and postnatal exercise specialist, In this ep, we talk all about what we can do, as mothers, to help support our mobility, strength and nervous systems in this crazy ride we're on. And how we do it amid the busy-ness of life with kiddos. I l…
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How can partners prepare for the fourth trimester? Sure, we have lots of practical suggestions such as relationship proofing, practical preparation, but there are some big considerations outside the practical. Listen in to learn how to create a level of connectedness that will ease the way for everything else that is to come. Enjoy! Sarah and Esthe…
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For this episode, I'm joined by the amazing Amy Carmody, a yoga teacher, personal trainer, strength coach and pre- and postnatal exercise specialist, for a conversation about her two postpartums, recovery from her caesarean births and regaining her strength. We couldn't shut up, so you'll from Amy again in two weeks time for a frank pep talk about …
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Parents benefit hugely from having regular and purposeful emotional outlets - when we take care of our own emotions, we are able to be more present, patient and connected with our children and families. Listening Partnerships are a tool we recommend for every parent to keep in their parenting toolbox. Why? It's FREE, it takes 5 mins a week, and it …
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It's Black Maternal Health Week and in this episode Sarah talks with Dr Amanda P Williams about the current state of postpartum maternal health and birth equity. Sarah first heard Dr Williams give the keynote talk at the Future of Maternal Care Summit. She invited Dr Williams onto the program to share her insights with all of our Fourth Trimester l…
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Welcome to a new season! Joining me for this fresh ep is Brooke Maree, a leading babywearing educator and Kangatraining instructor. I found Brooke when I had my first, velcro baby and her knowledge is immense - I hope this gets your babywearing journey off to a great start! You can find her on Instagram here and her really helpful YouTube videos he…
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Sarah, Nancy Myrick (Certified Nurse Midwife and birth center Director) and Leda Mast (Board Member of the SF Birth Center Foundation) discuss the ins and outs of birthing at a birth center. They talk through the unique benefits birth centers offer and explore a wide range of birth center related topics designed to help inform the birthing journey,…
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This episode is sponsored by Hydramama, a sugar-free hydration support drink that's designed for pregnancy, postpartum and beyond. Chock-a-block with electrolytes, magnesium, methylated folate and vitamins B6 and C, Hydramama helps when you're growing a baby--particularly if you're struggling with nausea or morning sickness--and while breastfeeding…
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In this episode of Fourth Trimester, we're joined by Dr. Melissa Dennis, a seasoned OBGYN with over two decades of experience in healthcare. Dr. Dennis shares her evidence-based insights and practical advice on how to navigate the often-overlooked but critical phase of birth recovery. We discuss essential knowledge and practices that can support sm…
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This episode is sponsored by Addison, the chic and practical clothing label for the modern mum. Addison offers pregnancy and breastfeeding-friendly styles that are super cute, and they're giving you free shipping with the code FOURTHTRIMESTER. Having a baby? You need to hear this episode. Dr Eliza Hannam (https://www.drelizahannam.com.au/) is a mot…
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This episode is brought to you by Babybee, Australian-owned and designed prams combining quality, safety and style. Not only does Babybee let you try their prams at home with free returns for nine months, they also offer an industry leading three year warranty for total peace of mind. With thousands of five star reviews, around the clock customer c…
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Unlock the secrets of newborn brain development with Childhood Educator Rebecca Walsh. Discover how to wire your baby for success. Listen to the full episode to learn what you need to know for helping your baby develop intelligence, plus the strong interpersonal and soft skills they’ll require later in life - both the EQ and IQ. You'll learn: * How…
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I'm six weeks postpartum in this episode (from back in 2020) and I'm chatting about what I've been eating, the amazing meal train organised by friends, the role of my midwife and doulas, my physical recovery, breastfeeding, sleep, how my anxiety and mental health has been and lots more. This episode is sponsored by The Whole Bowl Co, a fabulous mea…
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In this episode of Fourth Trimester Podcast, functional medicine dietitian Bridgitte Mallinson joins us to explore the essentials of prenatal vitamins. She illuminates the purpose of various supplements, emphasizing their critical role in nurturing both maternal and fetal health throughout pregnancy. Bridgitte explains which vital nutrients expecta…
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This episode is sponsored by Hydramama, a sugar-free hydration support drink that's designed for pregnancy, postpartum and beyond. Chock-a-block with electrolytes, magnesium, methylated folate and vitamins B6 and C, Hydramama helps when you're growing a baby--particularly if you're struggling with nausea or morning sickness--and while breastfeeding…
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Babies cost money - but how much exactly, and whether it will stress you out or you'll sail through, depends on your choices and planning. In this ep, I chat to financial coach Rebecca Pritchard, a mum of two who takes us through what she did and offers advice on where to save and what conversations to have that will help avoid common relationship …
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This episode is a guide for how friends or family members can take a deeply human and holistic approach to supporting birthgivers when professional doula services are either inaccessible or unaffordable. Importantly, your support person (or persons if you are able to secure multiple helpers!) can provide crucial support before, during and after chi…
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I'm joined by Lael Stone (https://laelstone.com.au/) on this episode to talk all things Aware Parenting and how it can help us find a happy middle ground between authoritarian and permissive parenting, through holding space, setting loving limits, meeting our own needs, and working through our own baggage. I love Lael! This episode is brought to yo…
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Jessica Chapnik Kahn is a singer-songwriter, author and poet. She's also a mum - and an example of how motherhood and creativity don't need to be mutually exclusive. In fact, her experience shows just how becoming a parent can open up a new layer of inspiration. Madre, the book of poetry that Jessica began during her postpartum (available here) is …
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Gina Mundy is an attorney that specializes in childbirth cases and she is a bestselling author. For over two decades, she has analyzed the mistakes that are made during labor and delivery. Drawing on this knowledge, she has authored the book "A Parent's Guide to a Safer Childbirth" to help parents prevent these mistakes and have a healthy baby. Sar…
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Many of you will know Leigh Campbell through her popular podcasts (This Glorious Mess Little Kids and You Beauty), via her work for Mamamia and from Instagram. In this epsiode, originally published in 2019, we dive deep into her fertility struggles, perinatal anxiety, breastfeeding challenges, relationship changes and the strange combination of hea…
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In years gone by, the message has been loud and clear: bedsharing kills babies. But what does the science say? And why are big organisations like Unicef and the UK's Lullaby Trust now promoting safe bedsharing? Can you ever be safe when you sleep with your baby? And if you're part of the 75% of parents who do fall asleep with their babies at some p…
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Did you know that appropriate, nurturing touch can relieve stress (for baby and parent/caregiver), facilitate secure attachment, optimize brain development, and potentially set a baby up for life to be a stable and healthy human? In this episode we will talk about the immense benefits of massaging your baby. Special guest Kari Marble, certified inf…
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It took four years for Sophie Gleitzman to fall pregnant. It took only moments at her 19 week scan to realise that her much-wanted baby's life might be at risk. As it turned out, her son Jack (now a happy and healthy primary schooler) needed heart surgery soon after he was born and Sophie's motherhood journey began in the NICU. But while the intens…
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Bernadette Lack is a midwife, personal trainer, mum and pelvic floor expert--she has helped hundreds of women sort out their post-baby pelvic floors with her Core and Floor Restore programs. Here, she shares her own experience with incontinence, pregnancy, home birth, and restoring her pelvic floor health... and gives plenty of tips on how you can …
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This episode is about finding the best labor and delivery hospitals using community-based tools and reviews. Listen to learn more about how community reviews tools are helping women find better facilities. Think “Yelp for hospitals”. Kimberly Seals Allers is our featured guest. She is the creator of Irth, a non-profit app designed to collect and le…
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