Launching His Own School? with Wilbert Molenaar #5


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Interview with Wilbert Molenaar.

This interview with NLP Master Trainer Wilbert Molenaar has proven to be worth the wait.

Wilbert shares his thoughts on the benefits of mBIT how it has evolved his coaching practice as well as the story behind the amazing goal that he is working on with the Dutch government to set up his own school.

When a reality, it will be the only school where half the curriculum will be based on personal development training which will include a module of mBIT.

To Connect with Wilbert visit


00:19 Introduction
05:51 Wilbert Molenaar
06:46 What stops people from moving forward
09:52 Learning about mBIT
16:39 Setting up a school
25:38 Reaction to the proposal
32:31 Helping transform the world


Wilbert 0:04
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Bill 1:54
Now on to my guest. My guest today is Wilbert Molenaar. Wilbert is the founder of four different training and coaching organizations on three different continents. And now specializes in NLP, mBIT and coach certification programs, corporate leadership programs, profiling and leadership, performance and group coaching.

Bill 2:24
Wilber is an accredited master coach, Coach, supervisor, Master Trainer, facilitator and l&d consultant with over 20 years of experience in personal development, leadership and coaching. l&d actually stands for leadership and decision making consultant.

Bill 2:45
Wilbert is a trainer coach consultant, who is also recognized as an enthusiastic straightforward with a dedication to the process and the clients outcome will bet has a flexible approach and a great sense of humor.

Bill 3:02
He has amassed more than three and a half 1000 hours of one to one coaching over 400 hours of group coaching and trade more than 7000 people from all walks of life in three different continents.

Bill 3:18
Working with Wilbert can change your life or your leadership. Wilbert has worked with fortune top 500 businesses in leadership and coaching, communication, communication and influencing with integrity and personal and team development. And you can see why I was really excited when Wilbert agreed to the interview.

Bill 3:44
He’s a person with an a mess, and a an immense amount of experience. And I really want to get an insight into what it was that made him become an ambit certified coach and trainer and how he’s using em branding in the business that he runs with the people that he works with throughout the world. So without further ado, it’s awesome on to the interview. So welcome to the program. Wilbert Molenaar, did I say that correct?

Wilbert 4:20
Thank you, Bill. Well you have different ways of pronouncing it, but you know, every pronounciation is okay. I know you’re talking to me. We say Molenaar, in English, I would say Molenaar.

Bill 4:33
Right. Okay.

Wilbert 4:34
So it’s great to be here,

Bill 4:36
It’s good to have you mate thanks so much for coming on to the program. I really look forward to spending some time with you and getting to know a little bit about what it is that you do.

Bill 4:47
So I read your bio, and you know what your bio says, but I didn’t know what it said until I read it. And it’s pretty impressive. Especially like the part where you mentioned You’ve done three and a half thousand hours, one on one coaching, and over 400 hours of group coaching. And you’ve trained more than 7000 people. Do you remember all the names?

Wilbert 5:19
In my office? I have a little thing on my wall. No, I’m kidding. No, I don’t remember all the names. I mean, it’s over a time span of 25 years. So, no I don’t remember them all. I remember some of them. And yeah, so you know, that happens when you are in the work that I’m doing for such a long time.

Bill 5:43
So you’ve been in some type of coaching on working with people to develop people for a little while. What were you doing before that?

Wilbert 5:51
I was, I will say I was raised as a teacher of physical education. And so I’m in 89, I graduated from the University being a teacher physical education, then I started working in the temporary agencies. So I started working as a sales rep and service rep, as they call it, working with people matching people up with jobs.

Wilbert 6:16
And in those five years, I worked at that company, I ended up as a manager, training and education, managing and organizing the whole educational part of the internals. So giving, Coach trainings, sales trainings, time management, trainings, management trainings, as well as coaching people on the spot. And from there, that was until 1995. And from there, I sort of went out on my own, and have been out on my own since 1996, doing coaching and training.

Bill 6:49
Right, awesome mate so I’m curious to know, when you’re dealing with that many people on a regular basis all the time, what is the hardest thing that you’ve had to deal with? As far as you know, you’re it seems like you’re all about trying to get people to take action to follow their dreams, you know, in physical education as a teacher, you know, to be better, healthier, fitter, what are the some of the things that came up? You know, that you’ve noticed that the patterns I suppose of people sort of not taking action, not getting things done not moving along? What stops them?

Wilbert 7:21
Well, from an M brain perspective, you know, they have the heart and the gut. Very often what I noticed, I noticed certain patterns over the last 20 years, and I’ve only been an mBIT since 2013. And so everything I’m now doing, knowing about mBIT is placing it in those, you know, frameworks that we were being taught and that we have in compassion in our own system.

Wilbert 7:50
So if I answer a question from an mBraining perspective, what I see is lots of passion of people I work with lots of coming from the heart lots of, you know, drive from their heart, but what I see in there is when they get stuck, the heart is not in.

Wilbert 8:16
So I see a loop between the head and the gut and very often, you know, over hallucinations that we have created about who we think we are, or who were were supposed to be, they are sort of playing a trick with the with the head and, and therefore, you know, a lot of people don’t come into action.

Wilbert 8:39
So one of the patterns that I’ve seen over you know, over those 25 years is that it lacks mostly on a passionate plan to follow and production into their dreams. And that’s not because they don’t know how to it’s just because they’re not aligned so that might be the biggest pattern that I’ve noticed in you know, 20 years that I do this work.

Bill 9:08
So you’re an NLP trainer as well right?

Wilbert 9:11
Yep, I’m an NLP master trainer and mBIT Master Trainer. I’m a coach trainer, so I work a lot with coaches. And many in my in my work as a coach, I do a lot of leadership coaching, either with, you know, senior leaders or managers but also with people from all walks of life. When we talk about personal development or personal leadership and in my work, I use everything that I’ve learned from systemic work, family dynamics, mBraining NLP, transactional analysis, etc, etc.

Bill 9:52
So, I’m curious if I could ask you to put your NLP hat on for a little bit. And take me back to that time where you came up across mBIT and decided that you’re curious about it and you were going to look into it or even attend the course. So what was that like for you? What happened there? What was it that made you sort of decide that you needed to look into this?

Wilbert 10:16
Well, my journey into NLP started in 1992, when I started to read some books, I did my practitioner in 1996, my trainer’s training in 2001. And then my final master trainers in 2011. And because I was training a lot, I met some people who have been talking about mBraining, and I was educated or taught the third generation NLP, where they talk about sentiment and openness and awareness, which is sort of what sort of referring to the head, heart and gut.

Wilbert 10:54
But all from a pragmatic and modeling perspective. So there was no science behind it. And actually, you probably know. From and NLP perspective, NLP is awesome. It just doesn’t have even though it’s getting better it didn’t have a scientific background. Working in practice. It was like, Yes, let’s go for it.

Wilbert 11:13
So I met a guy who was trying to get Grant and Marvin Oka to prove in that time was living proof. And I didn’t just, I even didn’t read the book. I just saw this guy was talking about embracing, talking about head heart and gut and the science behind and why like, well, this is what I want.

Wilbert 11:33
So long story short, Grant, and Marvin game over to, to Perth, for the coach to certification training. And third day, I still remember that third day that I started crying from 10am till 12am. And I couldn’t stop.

Wilbert 11:51
And not because I was shocked, or I was in trauma, but just from sheer joy. I came across something that was so much more profound in the way of what was driving mBIT. So the scientific and the in a traditional wisdom, but also the simplicity of the modal.

Wilbert 12:14
Because from my perspective, you know, if I forgot my NLP hand, and I teach NLP, and I trained NLP trainers, and it’s very structured, it’s, you know, two pages of steps, step one to step 35. A.

Wilbert 12:26
Whereas, when I came to mBIT, it was, you know, you’ve got, if you can count to three, you can have them become an expression of themselves on a day to day basis. And that’s where I started from sheer joy I started crying. And I went like, yeah, this is going to be my journey. So yeah, that’s how I got in touch you’re connected with mBraining.

Bill 12:56
That’s really interesting to hear you know why? Because I come across a lot of NLP trainers. And as we understand, you know, most people are in their heads. But NLP can be sort of a modality that sort of takes you up into the head a lot more. So sometimes trying to pace them at the head level and bring them down, you know, to the heart is a little bit of a longer process and a bit of a struggle.

Bill 13:20
So I’m really excited to hear that you came across mBIT. And sounds like you made a gut decision to go to the course. But really, what drove you was the fact that, you know, there was scientific background, a way to validate what you already knew about third generation NLP, but take it to the next level.

Wilbert 13:39
And, you know, if you look at my first training with Marvin, and Grant during the coach training, you know, there were some, major things that NLP never had looked at. Like, he taught him his nervous system, like the, you know, the rep systems of, you know, the olfactory, and gustatory.

Wilbert 13:56
The sheer simpleness of getting a line and where to start. I just loved it. And just the sheer fact that you know, that we always in NLP, we talk about, you know, creating new pathways and new neurological networks. And then when I saw within what time frame, we can actually create a new network, a new neurological pathway, not just up in the head, but you know, in the heart and the gut, like, whoa, hallelujah, this is awesome.

Bill 14:23
Instantaneous, we can do that instantaneously.

Wilbert 14:26
Yeah, and it’s now what is it three years, since I joined, I went into mBIT and you know, I still give practitioners and master practitioners , but my whole way of training stuff is so different, and same as with my life or whatever.

Wilbert 14:47
So, you know, remember your goals to set somewhere along the line? How has it impacted you, in the work that you’re doing? One day I’m not in with my three brains or observing the world. From the three brains now dealing with challenges from the three brains.

Bill 15:05
So now it’s an unconscious competence, because at the beginning, you’re probably doing it some of the time, you know, you’re in your head, you’re in your heart, you’re in your gut. And you know, when you don’t know what you don’t know, you don’t know how you’re doing it, or why you’re doing it, or what the impact of that is.

Bill 15:18
But now it sounds to me like, that now is become an unconscious competence, and you just already always, or very often come from an aligned space. And I would imagine that that helps you make, you know, better wiser decisions and sort of do your life better than you’ve done before.

Wilbert 15:39
I love that you put it that way, Bill, and I would love to, you know, to to believe that I am unconscious competence, but you know, if you have a chat with my wife, life is it just a process? So am I always aligned? No, of course not, but I know where to start and go back to when I’m not aligned.

Wilbert 16:03
And probably my surroundings that tell me that, hey, you’re coming from your head? Or, Hey, have you thought this through correctly? So but you know, it’s an ongoing journey. And that’s not just for me, that’s for everybody.

Bill 16:16
Yeah, that’s excellent. My wife is also the, person who lets me know, when I’m coming from my bum brain instead of all my brains. So it’s good to have somebody there to bring us back down to earth every once in a while. We do well, but we’ve spoken briefly in the past.

Bill 16:39
And one of the things you mentioned, to me in the past was one of your projects that you’re involved with at the moment, which if I understood correctly, is about setting up a school. Is that right? Can you tell me a little bit about how one decides that they’re gonna set up a school? Do you not have schools you know, where you guys come from?

Wilbert 17:08
You know, we of course, we have schools we have that we sort of have the same Western philosophy on schools in Holland. You know, I’m a teacher from back home. So I have this teaching blood in my in my genes. And because I’m so passionate about where we’re heading, as humanity.

Wilbert 17:46
And if I make it a little bit smaller, if I look at Holland, you know, more and more, there are more and more research saying that young age kids between the age of 14 till 21 are getting depressed, are getting anxious are on Ritalin, are having a DD ADHD. And then it’s much more and more we see people coming out of school as being depressed and stressed and have grown ups and they have anxiety problems, and they have self esteem problems.

Wilbert 18:15
And that’s not only because of the schooling system, but I think the schooling system is a big part of that. Now, and I’ve always worked with a my work, I was working with adults aged aged 20 off mostly 30 till 60. Right. And I have this big passion for the schooling system for what I believe would be a proper schooling system for the present moment. And you know, there’s many research available about we now teaching kids stuff that they don’t need to know in the future.

Bill 18:53
I hear that a degree if somebody’s studying a degree at the moment that takes four years to complete. By the time they finish the degree that particular job 60% of the jobs, I think in in their lifetime will be obsolete.

Wilbert 19:08
Yeah. And one of the things that I believe has always been lacking in school systems is personal development is how can I stay resilient? How can I be my personal power? How can I understand how I perceive and create my reality? And what that does on the outside?

Wilbert 19:28
And, you know, what? On the side, I’m also working with schools, where I do one day LPN courses, very basic for people, to for kids, for young adults, to have the tools and awareness of how they create their world. Now, that’s what I’m already doing. Now, back to the schools.

Wilbert 19:51
So, that’s why I have this big question to schools. I think, you know, the young ones are the ones who are going to manage the world and try Five years from now. Yes. So my own I’ve got two kids and in 12, and they are at a Montessori, which is a particular way of doing schooling similar outside of the regular system. Yeah, it’s sort of similar to Steiner and different but what it means is, you know, every child is unique.

Wilbert 20:23
And every child has their own learning, depending on the quality of use, except except in Holland. We are working on a, the government is working on a rule where every student can do an interview individual learning June, they are now talking about, and they think that will happen in about five to 10 years that there will be a big chunk of what they teach is about, who am I? How do I stay good? How do I go in my personal power? How do I communicate? All those kinds of stuf.

Wilbert 20:53
So going back to your question, my son and daughter are in a primary school Montessori. And there is no secondary school Montessori for the age of between 12 and 18. So there is a group of parents that includes me, that took up the challenge to create a new school.

Bill 21:16
That’s a great challenge, my great challenge,

Wilbert 21:19
There’s an education expert, there’s a political expert, there’s a personal development expert, that’s me. And there’s some other people in that group, it’s a group of five. And we now working closely together, every week, we’re going to put in a proposal on the first of November, to the government to the Dutch government.

Wilbert 21:43
And our aim is to start that school in September 2017. Right. And part of that curriculum is that 50% of the topics are about personal development. Wow. And that’s where I’m talking about bringing me in and NLP in any school is going to work with coaches.

Wilbert 22:08
And, you know, it’s really it’s a whole new concept within the world of education in Holland. So now we’ve got a lot of energy. It’s hard work. We got a lot of challenges from get all of us setbacks and stuff like that. But we’re very passionate around it. And yeah, hoping, hoping, aiming for September 2017 to make it go.

Bill 22:32
Yeah, fantastic. So how long have you been working on the project so far?

Wilbert 22:39
About nine months. So it’s actually quite short. But I’ve been working on it. And we have to put in the proposal in one month from the first November. So we have some, you know, things to crack. Yeah, some nuts to crack. But we still are very optimistic about putting the proposal in.

Wilbert 23:05
We know there are some challenges from the government from, you know, giving people because it’s sort of the same thing that goes back to the question you asked earlier. When we ask people, parents who have their kids on the school, we ask them, what do you what do you think about this concept.

Wilbert 23:23
Everybody goes like, Yeah, I love it. I love it. Because they see what the benefit is for their kids. But because we’re all volunteers. We have no budget. We’re all volunteers. We need people to step in and act. And that’s going back to that same question you asked earlier in a different context.

Wilbert 23:45
You know, a lot of people say yes. But not many people do. Do Yes. And because of other priorities, or because business, whatever, whatever reasons. Yeah, that sort of, you know, we’re with a team of five people, six people now. And we know, we do the best we can with the resources that we have.

Bill 24:09
Yeah, awesome.

Wilbert 24:10
It’s massive. It’s, you know, when it comes off, we will be the first school in Holland, thinking Europe that has a school system like that, and that will, you know, maybe if we’re successful, which we will be once it’s set up, it will be a an example, for the education system.

Bill 24:32
That’s amazing, I think it’s going to be one of the first schools in the world, I can’t see there being a model that’s similar to that anywhere, to that extent, where 50% of the curriculum is going to be based on personal development. Just imagine the money that it’s going to save those students from, you know, your personal development courses later on in life.

Wilbert 24:53
Yeah, but you know, this is the sooner I start I think if we take it one step, backwards in time from your development, I think we’re now looking at 12 18. I think, you know, 6 to 12 is another focus that I believe we could create so much more, you know, alignment in how we want to how we want to live the world, so to speak. Yeah, but you know, our focus now is on 1218. Yeah. And who knows what happens with the focus on eight or six and 12? That’s fantastic even further back, you know, educated just upbringing.

Bill 25:38
It’s good to be one of the first sort of models that I think will change the way schooling is done, you know, completely sort of flipping on its head, the industrial, you know, schooling model, which, you know, trained everybody to work in factories that’s so antiquated these days, how receptive was the government or the people from the government that you needed to speak to about encouraging you guys, you know, to deliver them a proposal?

Wilbert 26:06
That’s a nice question. And not really. Because that’s sort of the challenge that you’re facing it because you’re working against regulations. Yeah. against the present regulations in education system.

Wilbert 26:21
So what we’ve already heard is from the government is that what we are doing is way ahead of time. And the current rules are not yet aligned with with how we want to set up the school. So what we’re also we already know that there will be a lot of resistance in our schooling from our, to our towards our schooling system.

Wilbert 26:46
But we also know that if you look at the stories and the research at ground level, about the kids or not the parents, there’s this huge wish and demand for a different schooling system. Yeah. So the government at the present moment is working on changing the regulations, unless, you know, a government is not like a really fast oil machine, it will take a couple of years before something falls through.

Wilbert 27:21
And what we’re trying to create is that we use the at what happens at ground level, the energy that is arising at ground level, we trying to use that to influence the decision making process of the of the government, hopefully, and we’ll manage that. And within one and a half year, the government has created the regulations that will allow our school to start.

Bill 27:47
Well, people power is what it’s about.

Wilbert 27:51
Yeah, it’s People power, it’s using you know, it’s about a tipping point, it’s about using what’s happening in, in, in, in society, in this context, and so it’s, you know, when I hear myself, talk to you, from a meta perspective, I know, this sounds, this is all like few words right here. But it is not as fluid as I pronounce it to you. Because there’s a lot of unknowns.

Wilbert 28:21
And I knows you’re trying to get ahead, if you try to get in contact with, with with some important person. That’s not a question. That’s not about, you know, giving him a call. And we can do this for now. It’s about you know, sending emails getting used to seeing the rule of six. Notice. How it’s a lot of work.

Bill 28:42
Yeah, I can imagine now, you also mentioned that you do a little bit of work around leadership. Is that with sort of people in corporates? Yeah. What kind of environment?

Wilbert 28:54
Its corporate environment. Yeah. So they either come as a coachee. So they want to be coached. And I really wanted to share with the public, even in Holland in anywhere, is that, I remember what because I do the coaches patient training as well. And we talk about, you know, you have to pay some lead and a breathing and you can’t do the breathing with somebody who’s a CEO, because he will go, you know, if he’s in his head, he go, what the heck is this happening?

Wilbert 29:25
I promise well not, I promise, but I want to share with all you guys that, you know, 120 hours I’ve done with with CEOs or senior leaders, and within two sessions, they are in their breeding process, and we do hammering, wow. And I love it. And so even though in the coach training, we say, well, you have to pay some 80 Of course, you have to pay some Yeah. But I dare to say that with all the people all management I work with, they all do belly, breathing within intuitions.

Bill 30:00
That’s brilliant, mate so, I would say that’s got a lot to do with rapport, right? So they’ve got a lot of rapport with you, they trust you, you know, they believe in what you’re teaching them and how it’s going to benefit them. So really, we, you know, initially, maybe I’m not sure if the word is stand off, base standoffish.

Bill 30:20
But initially, we need to sort of gently ease them into something perhaps, that they’ve never done before. But, of course, when they notice what the benefits are for them, and they say, how they improve, and how they can improve, you know, their work environment and their ability to sue to do their job better, then it’s a no brainer for them. Because really, all they want to do is be better and more efficient, get better results, with less sort of stress and without without making a lot of mistakes.

Wilbert 30:48
My way of coaching is the only change since mBIT. And there’s no one session I do not do mBraining.

Bill 31:00
And it hasn’t replaced what you do. It’s just coming. It’s added a little bit of, you know, tools and information to the modalities that you already have practiced for 25 years. It’s just enhanced it a little bit would you say?

Wilbert 31:14
Correct? Not just a little bit, but I just has smoothen for the client, their path to expressing themselves authentically.

Bill 31:28
Yeah. And that can only be a good thing. And I get really excited when I hear you know, your version of chapter nine, I imagine that the school project is got to do with a little bit of your chapter nine?

Wilbert 31:43
Correct? Yeah, that’s, you know, I spent about 10% of my time, I do want to hold on to every basis. And that’s where I choose to be in doing the work I’m not doing with schools.

Wilbert 31:59
And, you know, as Rhonda once so beautifully says, you know, we live in, we live in a beautiful world, which I also believe that we live in a beautiful world, and there’s a lot of stuff happening. Yeah. And, and I believe that, you know, what we do as a tribe, what we do as a human culture, human facilitator. We need to, and that’s my, that’s my thing, I believe I need to step up. Because we’re getting close to, and where there’s no change anymore possible.

Wilbert 32:31
And so, you know, whatever I can do, either paid or unpaid to, you know, have people authentically express themselves more. When I’m 50, when I’m 35 years of time when I’ve stopped working, and I can look back on my little my little pashions of helping transform the world. You know, that’s what that’s that’s my, my mission. Yeah. And the schooling system is part of them.

Bill 33:03
That’s a pretty good mission. Wilbert, thank you so much for sharing that with me. If somebody wanted to get in touch with you, so that they can get in touch about the program that you’re working on with the school if they want to help out if they want to participate in some way? Where would they be able to get in touch with you? How is the best way to find you?

Wilbert 33:24
The best way to find me is to send me an email. And the easiest email is, which is my surname and my first name without any dots at gmail. And for the Dutch people, you know, if they want to have a look at what I’m doing what we are doing with mBraining, they just can go to

Wilbert 33:52
And for the corporate people, I have another website, which is both English and Dutch, which is And that has a mBraining is only about mBraining and performance solution is about all the things that I’m doing. And they’ll find they’ll find links to the email, etc.

Bill 34:14
Yeah. All fantastic. Wilbert, thank you so much for your time, I really appreciate you sharing your version of your chapter nine as well as some of the amazing other things that you’ve done and that you’re that you’re doing as an mBIT trainer, but not an NLP trainer.

Bill 34:31
It’s really fascinating for me to hear how, you know, your version of NLP has been enhanced by mBIT and vice versa. And I think that’s really important for people out there to hear, because, you know, realistically what we want to encourage people to do is to come aboard to ask some questions and to find out for themselves to take some gutsy action and be curious and find out for themselves because this could just be the modality that sort of enhances their practice, I would say.

Wilbert 35:04
You know, in my own experience is that, you know, NLP is awesome, you know, what I’ve done with NLP and what it brought me and how it enabled me to facilitate and training coach more effectively. That’s awesome. What I see when I’m reading cook came on top of it, it expanded my knowledge about how I do the things I do.

Wilbert 35:24
But it also increased the capacity of helping my clients to author themselves, it increased my capacity in my trainings to be more aligned and help people get more aligned. And I would I would suggest or, you know, say to all people that have done NLP, see what ambit can do for you. And people who have done ambit and haven’t done LPC with me, what NLP can do for you. It’s a beautiful marriage between two.

Bill 35:56
Yeah, that’s exactly what I did, I did my mBIT practitioner. And then my train is training and and i also then followed up with my NLP practitioner and really took it to the next level. So I quite enjoyed the structure of NLP. So it was a really good way for me to learn. But I really love the flexibility of mBIT in that the mBIT philosophy says that what we teach you is just for the learning process.

Bill 36:28
And it doesn’t have to be followed strictly or by the book. A heuristic is how Grant explains it. So once again, thanks so much for your time. And I probably will want to have a chat to you again in a few months time when you’ve got your school up and running and find out how that’s happening. So hopefully, you’ll have some time for us then as well.

Wilbert 36:53
I’m happy to do that, mate.

Bill 36:54
Fantastic. We’ll leave it at that. Thanks so much. Enjoy the rest of your day. And I know your days just starting over there my days, just finishing over here.

Wilbert 37:03
Well, it was a pleasure to be on the show, Bill. And indeed my days just starting. So I’m gonna rock today.

Bill 37:13
Enjoy the rest of the day, man. See you later.

Wilbert 37:15
Okay. Yeah. Bye bye. Wow,

Bill 37:19
How good was that episode. Wilbert is truly an amazing bloke. I’m so excited about his idea to set up his own school. What an inspiring vision for how to enhance the education system. Now also, I want to share a couple of the things that I took away from this episode.

Bill 37:40
And Firstly, as an NLP trainer, Wilbert became excited about how mBraining is based on and backed up by neuroscience, it was for Wilbert what took the way that he coached and trained to the next level.

Bill 37:54
Oh, and also will bet is a bit of a softy, sharing with us that he had cried during his mBIT training, interestings to do happen in our trainings, also Wilbert experience dealing with the big bad burly CEOs of the world. And they’re not really all big, bad and barely. But Was that mBIT balanced breathing is okay.

Bill 38:18
And they love it. And that within two coaching session, he has been practicing balance breathing, before the coaching session begins. And that’s a bit of a big deal, because we talk about that in our coaching sessions, and in our training sessions about how you know to approach people that are very head based, and we want to paste them and we want to lead them to the balance breathing.

Bill 38:40
So you know, if it takes a couple of training sessions, and that’s okay, but once they understand the benefit of, of why they need to do the balance breathing and how it’ll help enhance the way that they go about their daily tasks, they will come on board and they will enjoy it. Also, if you’re going to have a passion project, it may as well be something extraordinary.

Bill 39:07
I actually like to follow the electric motor car company Tesla, because they are changing something that we have been locked into for, you know, 100 years. And that’s cars being run by fossil fuels. And Wilbert is doing something similar. He’s going about making a change to a school system that has been developed to produce graduates that were going to work during the Industrial Revolution.

Bill 39:32
And even though that ended some time ago, we’re still teaching our kids in this antiquated way. So how amazing will it be, you know, to go to a school where the curriculum is 50% personal development and will include the mBITmodule. It’s really amazing. I can’t wait for it.

Bill 39:53
So I also this is not something that I picked up from my chat. With Wilbert but this is something that I wanted to share from one of my coaching certifications that I run with mBIT trainer, Nicky Webb, who’s also the mBIT trainer who has developed mBraining massage, who we’ll be interviewing in the next few episodes.

Bill 40:18
And this is a testimonial that came in from Tracy M. And she shared this online, on Facebook. I am sitting here this morning, feeling like my whole system has basically restructured so much energy is flowing through it. And I’m experiencing an expansion from the weekend. I wasn’t quite expecting expecting. The possibilities seem endless for using mBIT.

Bill 40:45
Now that was from ambit certified coach Tracy M. And isn’t it a great testimonial. And what’s great about it is that Tracy came into the coach certification expecting you know, something and a story that she had told us out was how she was sort of saying the certification roll out over four days.

Bill 41:06
But it was completely different. It gave her a completely different perspective on how she goes about her life, and how she can go about enhancing and helping other people make changes in their lives. So that brings us to the end of this episode.

Bill 41:23
And if you are a coach, and you live in a country that does not currently have an inbuilt coaching calls being run there, and you want to have a course being run where you live, then get in touch with me. I would be happy to talk to you about how we might be able to make a coach certification possible in your country.

Bill 41:45
Go to the contact form at and send me your details. I will be in touch with you. I’d love to hear from you. Also, if you need a speaker at your next event and would love to share the mbraining message with your audience. Visit w w w dot bill gassy and fill out the contact form. I would love to speak to your audience and share the training message with them.

Bill 42:19
Now that’s all for me today. I leave you with compassion from my heart. And I thank you from all my heart, head and gut brains for once again listening to the embracing show and tuning into MB radio. By now.

Wilbert 42:37
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Wilbert 42:55
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Wilbert 43:15
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